The downward spiral of a pop star

ask fd abt the dirty minge he saw in the street :haha:

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Originally Posted by Wheeljak

And, how is this any different from a middle or lower class woman who abdicates her maternal responsibilities, and pawns off the job of raising the child to the kid's grandparents?
"If a kid calls his grandmother "Mommy" and his mama "Pam," that kid's gonna go to jail." --Chris Rock

Sorry, I disagree. I'd rather see a kid brought up by a responsible, loving, grandparent than by a crack-head or abusive mother, or even by a mother who just realized too late she didn't want to be a mother. I have quite a few friends who credit their success in life to being raised by a loving grandparent. And I don't know how I would have made it through if it wasn't for my gandparents co-raising me.

If you don't want to be a mother, or are about to be a bad one, and you unfortunately realized this after having a kid, then I think the best thing you can do for the kid is to abdicate responsibility -- preferrably giving them to a loving relative or a loving professional, and fostercare as a last resort. I have more respect for the people who realize they made a mistake and don't further screw up the kid, than I do for the people who decide to compound the mistake by continuing to raise the kid.

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Originally Posted by Mistress M

If you don't want to be a mother, or are about to be a bad one, and you unfortunately realized this after having a kid, then I think the best thing you can do for the kid is to abdicate responsibility -- preferrably giving them to a loving relative or a loving professional, and fostercare as a last resort. I have more respect for the people who realize they made a mistake and don't further screw up the kid, than I do for the people who decide to compound the mistake by continuing to raise the kid.

Bull.
"If you don't want to be a mother," then don't!
There are dozens of effective birth-control products and procedures available, and in this case, a vasectomy for the ex would have also been a quite attractive option.
Very few people feel like they are ready for parenthood when they enter into it, but that doesn't prevent many of them from sucking it up and making an honest effort to do the right thing.
"If you are about to be a bad one, and you unfortunately realized this after having a kid," then GET HELP! It's not as if she can't afford therapy.
The girl know she wrong; the reason that she hasn't done anything to change her behavior is that there are so many people willing to make excuses for her, trying to make the unacceptable seem acceptable. I'm alarmed at the way you're saying that you don't expect grown-ass people to take accountability for their lives, and the things that they do (or fail to do).
If somebody's not going to be an adult and raise their kids, then they should take some responsibility, and refrain from making them.

Maybe she just had lice?

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Originally Posted by Wheeljak

Bull.
"If you don't want to be a mother," then don't!
There are dozens of effective birth-control products and procedures available, and in this case, a vasectomy for the ex would have also been a quite attractive option.
Very few people feel like they are ready for parenthood when they enter into it, but that doesn't prevent many of them from sucking it up and making an honest effort to do the right thing.
"If you are about to be a bad one, and you unfortunately realized this after having a kid," then GET HELP! It's not as if she can't afford therapy.
The girl know she wrong; the reason that she hasn't done anything to change her behavior is that there are so many people willing to make excuses for her, trying to make the unacceptable seem acceptable. I'm alarmed at the way you're saying that you don't expect grown-ass people to take accountability for their lives, and the things that they do (or fail to do).
If somebody's not going to be an adult and raise their kids, then they should take some responsibility, and refrain from making them.

I guess you haven't known many rich people. What they will often do is have their children and hire other people to raise them. I've seen it all of my life. It is in no way equivalent to the unfit mother who dumps her kids on grandma. It is two completely different situations.

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Originally Posted by Cozmo D

I guess you haven't known many rich people. What they will often do is have their children and hire other people to raise them. I've seen it all of my life. It is in no way equivalent to the unfit mother who dumps her kids on grandma. It is two completely different situations.

Yeah, it's two completely different situations.
Let's take Paris Hilton, for instance: if she had not been born with a silver spoon in her mouth, rather than destroying herself by snorting cocaine in a yacht, she would be destroying herself by smoking crack in a shack.
Completely different.

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Originally Posted by Wheeljak

Yeah, it's two completely different situations.
Let's take Paris Hilton, for instance: if she had not been born with a silver spoon in her mouth, rather than destroying herself by snorting cocaine in a yacht, she would be destroying herself by smoking crack in a shack.
Completely different.

You've completely lost me here.:think:

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Originally Posted by Cozmo D

You've completely lost me here.:think:

Have I?
Paris is the future of the Federline kids. She's a textbook picture of how a rich kid, ignored by their parents, is very likely to wind up. A child, especially a child who benefits from the increased possibilities that riches bring, needs structure and rules, and no matter how good a nanny is, a nanny is not an acceptable substitute for a parent in that respect.

Somebody start a new thread. I never wanted to discuss the home life of Britney Spears; those "stars" that the paparazzi stalk are mind-numbingly dull to me. If you want to drive me insane, clamp open my eyelids and make me watch "Inside Edition" and "Extra" for hours on end.

If you think about it, a star is nothing but a big ball of gas.

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Originally Posted by Wheeljak

Have I?
Paris is the future of the Federline kids. She's a textbook picture of how a rich kid, ignored by their parents, is very likely to wind up. A child, especially a child who benefits from the increased possibilities that riches bring, needs structure and rules, and no matter how good a nanny is, a nanny is not an acceptable substitute for a parent in that respect.

So, are you saying that Paris's life is the equivalent of your average project ho daughter of a crack whore drug dealer dick suckin' with 5 kids by 5 unknown baby daddies on welfare with AIDS chick? Seriously? :poke:

Frankly, I have to totally agree with Mistress on this one. In retrospect I think that you probably will too. I've known plenty of peeps who were raised by a moms that was totally incapable. I've also known plenty that were raised by their grandparents in lieu of their incapable single mothers. The ones who have ended up incarcerated or dead have almost always been those that were raised by their moms.

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Originally Posted by Hero1

ask fd abt the dirty minge he saw in the street :haha:

hahaha holy shit i forgot all about that

The horny tramp lady!

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Originally Posted by Cozmo D

So, are you saying that Paris's life is the equivalent of your average project ho daughter of a crack whore drug dealer dick suckin' with 5 kids by 5 unknown baby daddies on welfare with AIDS chick? Seriously? :poke:

Paris Hilton does have herpes. (really)

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Originally Posted by TrEEtheRealest

Paris Hilton does have herpes. (really)

I'm not surprised. :idunno:

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Originally Posted by Wheeljak

Bull.
"If you don't want to be a mother," then don't!
There are dozens of effective birth-control products and procedures available, and in this case, a vasectomy for the ex would have also been a quite attractive option.
Very few people feel like they are ready for parenthood when they enter into it, but that doesn't prevent many of them from sucking it up and making an honest effort to do the right thing.
"If you are about to be a bad one, and you unfortunately realized this after having a kid," then GET HELP! It's not as if she can't afford therapy.
The girl know she wrong; the reason that she hasn't done anything to change her behavior is that there are so many people willing to make excuses for her, trying to make the unacceptable seem acceptable. I'm alarmed at the way you're saying that you don't expect grown-ass people to take accountability for their lives, and the things that they do (or fail to do).
If somebody's not going to be an adult and raise their kids, then they should take some responsibility, and refrain from making them.

But you're missing the catch-22 here: if you're too irresponsible to use birth control, it's not like the second you push a baby out of your loins (or are the sperm donor for said baby) you're suddenly graced with the sense of responsibility you previously lacked. For some people, it is a sobering experience, and they do use it as an opportunity to change. But there's no guarantee that will happen, and many people are the same, irresponsible people they were nine months earlier.

Here we have a person who consistently makes bad choices, and everything about how she has allowed herself to be marketed and exploited by the industry says she has little maturity or self-esteem. But suddenly, she's going to be a healthy, functioning mom? Unlikely. If she was healthy and functioning, she probably wouldn't be a mom -- having kids is a symptom, not a cure.

And I agree with Coz: for the wealthy, being a RESPONSIBLE parent means finding good childcare services. Wealthy people haven't raised their own kids for centuries, and most of our nations' leaders are the products of nannies and boarding schools. The idea of parents taking an active role in raising their kids is a middle-class phenomena, not an elite one.

Dang. That means I'm middle class...

:(

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Originally Posted by Harmeister

Dang. That means I'm middle class...

:(

Could be worse...some of the people around here have no class at all...

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Originally Posted by Mistress M

But you're missing the catch-22 here: if you're too irresponsible to use birth control, it's not like the second you push a baby out of your loins (or are the sperm donor for said baby) you're suddenly graced with the sense of responsibility you previously lacked. For some people, it is a sobering experience, and they do use it as an opportunity to change. But there's no guarantee that will happen, and many people are the same, irresponsible people they were nine months earlier.

Yeah..OR being that the baby was brought into this world irresponsibly they will continue their cycle of being irresponsible, and they will be irresponsible with the child. :think: That makes more sense to me.

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Originally Posted by Cozmo D

I'm not surprised. :idunno:

When she didn't pay for her storage space all her property in it became public domain. Amongst other things, one of the things was herpes medication prescribed to her. And we all know once you have it doesn't go away. (Right Giggles?)

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Originally Posted by TrEEtheRealest

When she didn't pay for her storage space all her property in it became public domain. Amongst other things, one of the things was herpes medication prescribed to her. And we all know once you have it doesn't go away. (Right Giggles?)

That may not be specific enough evidence. I will proudly say I do not have genital herpes. However, I was prescribed the same medication used to treat genital herpes because I have severe canker sores in my mouth. I've had those as long as I can remember, back to like 3 years old. In my case they can get as big as my thumb nail in size, and they kinda hurt. No one really knows what causes them yet, but some information suggests that the two are caused by viruses that are similar in nature. So I was given the medication to see if it would help (in some people it has). In my case, it did nothing so I stopped taking the stuff.

Not to say she doesn't, I'm just saying that if this is the only information you are basing that on it may not be correct as the medication can be prescribed for other things. But then, this is Paris you were talking about so all bets are off...

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Originally Posted by Harmeister

That may not be specific enough evidence. I will proudly say I do not have genital herpes. However, I was prescribed the same medication used to treat genital herpes because I have severe canker sores in my mouth. I've had those as long as I can remember, back to like 3 years old. In my case they can get as big as my thumb nail in size, and they kinda hurt. No one really knows what causes them yet, but some information suggests that the two are caused by viruses that are similar in nature. So I was given the medication to see if it would help (in some people it has). In my case, it did nothing so I stopped taking the stuff.

Not to say she doesn't, I'm just saying that if this is the only information you are basing that on it may not be correct as the medication can be prescribed for other things. But then, this is Paris you were talking about so all bets are off...

oh wow. That sucks. I didn't know that. Is it Valtrex they perscribed?