The Spiritualzation of FREK

[frEk]

This is why I enjoy interacting with Frek. He doesn't believe in ANY so-called "funky Stuff", not just the shit he doesn't like. No hypocrasy in that.

[b]oh shit, my brutha......that's too funny

[tinkermichael]

hey I never said that I knew more than you. also I did not dismiss the vission I only dissmissed the curse. So If they did not desacrate the bodies they would still be here and would not have been demolished? OK then.

I got into this curse thing when you said your family was cursed because of something your relitive did. I am still curious as to why you believe this. I am in no way saying that you are wrong I am just curious of how you came to this conclusion.

I guess curses can and do work if the person cursed believes in the curse.

Hey take it easy I have not put the tons of time into studing about every aspect of every indian culture. I just know what I was thought by my family and school.

Much love nomatter what
Michael

[tinkermichael]

I understand that a curse is difficult to prove or to disprove. that is why I was asking if you believed that god controls chance and coenceidence? I am still stuck on the issue.


thanks for the insite.
Michael

[Cozmo D]

But Michael, if you dismiss the curse then yes, you are dismissing the vision.

The Sioux Nation is still here and who knows what might have happened without the desecration. I have no idea, because first of all it is not my vision to interpret. It was Sitting Bulls. Second of all the curse is not even part of my belief system, it is part of yours, or at least the one you have claimed up until this point.

I suggest you ask some of your tribal elders or your family what they're feelings are on the matter as I don't have any. I only presented it to you as an item to ponder and maybe study.

You insulted your own religious system by dismissing it out of hand, not mine. You only insulted me in wasting my time and effort by shooting it down right from the outset, without giving it any thoughtful consideration at all.

As for my spiritual/mental/metaphysical beliefs, I choose not to share them with anybody who chooses not to be open to them. So far, you have shown yourself not to even be open to your own.

EZ
Coz

ps- I still love ya though...let's just stick to sports or somethin'.

[tinkermichael]

the reaon I dismiss the curse is I do not believe that god is vengfull. I am also unsure of how much influence god controls in our lifes. as for all the vission references I just said i would like to try with out the use of substances. I do not live on a reservation nor know anybody who does. I do love and respect alot of my cluture but that does not mean I believe in every thing my cluture believes. I was raised as a babtist but that does not mean I believe everything babtist believe. Realy I am only interested in the big picture.

Does god control chance? yes or no I am still unsure as to witch I am.

In my experinces I have felt god watching me and even feeling proud of who I have become. But even that has still left me unsure of the above question.


I am sorry coz I hope I have not severd our knowledge line. IF so I ask for forgivness for I am only a grasshopper

much love
Michael

[Cozmo D]

Does god control chance?

Ask Him.

EZ
Coz
:wink:

[RjBass]

You people really need to spend more time with Women with whom you have had no prior history with. Or at least start using your hands more.

[Cozmo D]

Hey Michael,

It just occrrred to me that you already know the answer to your question.

In my experinces I have felt god watching me and even feeling proud of who I have become.

If God controlled chance, then He wouldn't be feeling proud of you, He would be feeling proud of Himself. Since you yourself have felt this feeling and in fact seem pretty sure of what it is...then there is no doubt that at least for you, God does not control chance and your destiny is your own to find.

Hope this helps.

EZ
Coz

[tinkermichael]

I'll take any and all pics of the puzzle to try to gain a understanding of the big picture..

So we have control of our own destiny's but what about the chance and coencdence that we can not control?

It seems to conveinent to blame the devil for all the bad chance. I don't think I even believe in the devil If i DID wouldn't I give him power over me!

thanks

much love
Michael

[Elizabeth]

Hey Coz...

Maybe I wasn't reading carefully enough, :wink: but, are you saying that if a vision had never been had, the Sioux wouldn't have fallen? are you blaming the way history went on a vision?
I mean, visions predict the future, they don't write the future...
And if I believe in anything "funky", do you think I'm a hypocrite?

Do my dreams pen my life?
Elizabeth

[Cozmo D]

Nah sweet, you'se on about 3 different topics at once.

All I was doing was repeating what Sitting Bull said about the Sioux. As far as I know about his vision it didn't promise ultimate victory for the Sioux if they obeyed it, but it did promise ultimate defeat for them if they didn't.

I have no idea if visions write the future or make the future or what. All I was doing is showing an example of a curse in Native American culture.

As far as the "Funky Stuff", which is Frek's phrase, I believe in all sorts of manners of it, and I choose not to DISBELIEVE that which I either have not enough information about to make a judgement on, or that which has not enough established facts about either pro or con.

What I said about Frek is, He doesn't believe in the spiritual realm AT ALL, IN ANY CIRCUMSTANCE, FOR ANY REASON. Thus he steers completely clear of hypocrasy. This by no means signifies he is correct in any way.

As for me, there is a myriad of "funky stuff" that I believe in, alot of which I absolutely do not like. Thus my statement on those who choose to embrace that of the spiritual realm that they find pleasent, but disbelieve all that they do not.

Hope this clears up my position a little bit.

As for your dreams penning your life...I have no idea.

Who knows...maybe they pen mine.........

EZ
Coz

[tinkermichael]

I am clear to where you are coming from and I am somewhat there but I guess I do like to accept the good and dismiss the bad. But when y9ou do not even have dreams to back up your beliefs can you believe them

Michael

[Chief]

bump...... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Deity]

Chief, what is it with you and bumping up old, old, old threads, anyway?? :itch: