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    Quote Originally Posted by Mistress M View Post
    Overall, his argument is the classical Marxist one which is that race is only an issue to mask the real issue which is class.
    I say "nay".
    To state that Tim Wise's viewpoints on race and class are necessarily Marxist in nature is like saying that the Golden Rule is necessarily Biblical.

    Besides, that, FUCK KARL MARX, and FUCK FRIEDRICH ENGELS! Both of these men were staunch racists who, using Darwin's theories to justify their beliefs, held the opinion that black people were lower on the evolutionary scale than whites, and by extension, were unfit to carry the "people's revolution," beyond serving the role of cannon-fodder.
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    You can't condemn theorists for being a product of their time. Marx and Engel had revolutionary ideas that have affected our world. That's like saying we should throw out evolutionary theory because Darwin was a racist. We can't throw the baby out with the bath-water.

    Wise's views draw on the 1970's and 1980's revolution of historiography which directly stemmed from using Marxism as a paradigm for examining history. Prior to this historiographical revolution, historical studies were typically confined to the examination of elites and elite culture. The earlier works who started this new trend of examining non-elite groups (including slaves, women, the lower classes etc) will directly cite Marx and Engel as the justification for doing these kinds of studies. After awhile, people stopped needing to cite these authors as justification as it simply became self-justifying as the stuides became more accpeted in the historical profession. However, Wise is drawing on this tradition, basing his arguments most likely on authors such as David Roediger who first blantantly linked the creation of race with class oppression.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mistress M View Post
    You can't condemn theorists for being a product of their time.
    I disagree!
    So patience... is nothing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mistress M View Post
    You can't condemn theorists for being a product of their time.....
    ....so long as their theories evolve with maturity and knowledge gained.

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    I'll condemn anyone I want to condemn.
    So patience... is nothing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElizabethX View Post
    I'll condemn anyone I want to condemn.
    I just don't end up where think I'm going when I start out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElizabethX View Post
    I'll condemn anyone I want to condemn.
    Hopefully, this is a mature and knowledgeable decision.
    noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wendyful04 View Post
    Hopefully, this is a mature and knowledgeable decision.
    noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
    Peace

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    I'm not sure what's up with the last two responses, but Chris has the right idea.
    So patience... is nothing...

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    What's not to get? I was laughing at Wendy's post...
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    You two can kiss my ass.
    So patience... is nothing...

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    Does that mean you are going to post a pic for me?
    Peace

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    Quote Originally Posted by pmFan View Post
    Does that mean you are going to post a pic for me?
    And bootay-pic begging makes its ignominious return to the PM Dawn Forum.
    "What, Wheeljak? You fell in that open manhole?
    How is that possible?
    I posted 'CAUTION: OPEN MANHOLE' on my Facebook page!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wheeljak View Post
    And bootay-pic begging makes its ignominious return to the PM Dawn Forum.
    robot

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