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    Totally Harsh

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/13/wo...o_interstitial

    Good thing Coz, Chief and I don't live in Japan...

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    So what are they going to do with/to Sumo Wrestlers? Their whole profession is based on being huge!
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    Damn...
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    "Yo, 40 Park y'all, Jam-On's gettin down"
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    Talk about a breeding ground for eating disorders!

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    The difference between Japan and here is that they do these campaigns but they also provide full-scale social services to help people to achieve these goals. You watch: soon they'll be doing that here. And they'll be denying anyone over the limit health insurance. And they still won't be taking care of the poverty that is the reason why so many people eat so badly (try getting good veggies around this hood that aren't crawling with roaches). Becuase if there's one thing about the American way, it's that we like to do shit like this half-assed, never actually address the problem, and further screw up people's lives.
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    sounds good to me !!!
    if they are giving good diet and exercise advice it could avoid eating disorders couldnt it ?
    its gotta be better than australia,england and the states, where a high percentage have eating disorders and an even higher percentage are obese...
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    I don't think I could ever disorder my eating. I prefer to eat, drink, and move my ass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Etherspin View Post
    sounds good to me !!!
    if they are giving good diet and exercise advice it could avoid eating disorders couldnt it ?
    its gotta be better than australia,england and the states, where a high percentage have eating disorders and an even higher percentage are obese...
    free copies of wii fit for all i say!!
    Obesity is an eating disorder, isn't it?
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    to be politically correct,....it is caloric overachieving!!
    the vibe says syxx so let it be syxx......

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    Obesity is the result of an eating disorder.

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    Wow. What about people that have a thyroid condition or some other ailment that doesn't make their weight gain a self-problem. I think it should be balanced. Instead of punishments there should be rewards also. Some people do not care what they look like vs. those who might need a helping hand.
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    if someone smokes 30 cigarettes a day for 30 years and as a result has a long string of health problems should the government support them? If people are obese through their own food choices which results in helath complications should the government support them?
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    All of these things tend to have something in common... it stems from something in the mind. Normal, healthy, happy people don't usually form unhealthy habits or addictions or other behaviors to hurt themselves. I understand that everyone needs to take responsibility for their own actions and I agree, but we also need to show a little sympathy. Who knows how we would be or what we would choose, in their shoes? How do we truly know we are any better?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hero1 View Post
    if someone smokes 30 cigarettes a day for 30 years and as a result has a long string of health problems should the government support them? If people are obese through their own food choices which results in helath complications should the government support them?
    Yes.

    Get over and past the "lifestyle choice" crap. You want to know why people are obese: http://depts.washington.edu/uwecor/e...ty_obesity.htm

    One word: Poverty. It costs a hell of a lot more to eat healthy than to eat crap. For 99 cents you can get an unhealthy mcdonald's burger, or an apple. If you're hungry, what are you going to pick? It takes more time to eat healthy than to pick up processed foods -- time that people working 2 or 3 jobs just to make it can't afford. Fresh and healthy choices are less available, less affordable, and less convenient to America's working poor.

    And as to smoking, many people use it as a form of self-medication for fairly untreatable mental illnesses.

    70% of people with Bipolar disorder smoke
    60% of people with major depression smoke
    90% of people with schizophrenia smoke
    56% of people with panic disorder smoke
    60% of people with post-traumatic stress disorder smoke
    http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/disp...le/10168/49511

    quitting smoking is extremely hard for people who are using it to help treat an underlying mental illness. And there are no cures for these mental illnesses. Sometimes nicotine is still a better treatment than the available options which are often extremely toxic, addictive, and unhealthy.

    I smoke to help with my biploar. It is the only thing that alleviates that crawling-out-of-my-skin feeling I often have. It may or may not eventually give me cancer. Then again, my meds may or may not eventually give me cancer too. And in the meantime, how am I supposed to function in society? Tobacco helps me do that. Tobacco helps a lot of people do that.

    I'm tired of other people playing God, and thinking they know everything. I have as much right to get treated for a dehabilitating disease as anyone else even if I'm poor and smoke to treat a disease I have no control over. Someone born into poverty, working hard, barely scraping by who can only afford to eat cheetos for dinner, they deserve to be helped too. And since the government doesn't give a fuck to help alleviate poverty, alleviate mental health disorders, then yes, fuck them, let them pay for the long-term consequences of THEIR decisions.
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    Why dont they tax the hell out of unhealthy fast foods and use that money to lower the cost of healthy food..

    lps me do that. Tobacco helps a lot of people do that.

    I'm tired of other people playing God, and thinking they know everything. I have as much right to get treated for a dehabilitating disease as anyone else even if I'm poor and smoke to treat a disease I have no control over.
    You have every right to smoke, drink do whatever the hell you want to do to your body..but why should everyone else have to pay for your health as a result of your behavior.. I'm completely ignorant about whats goin on in america..but in Australia the health system is completely overrun..largely because of health problems which are a direct cause of lifestyle choices/obesity etc .. I think 50% of heart conditions are preventable.. I think now is the first time that we are living shorter lives than our parents..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hero1 View Post
    Why dont they tax the hell out of unhealthy fast foods and use that money to lower the cost of healthy food..



    You have every right to smoke, drink do whatever the hell you want to do to your body..but why should everyone else have to pay for your health as a result of your behavior.. I'm completely ignorant about whats goin on in america..but in Australia the health system is completely overrun..largely because of health problems which are a direct cause of lifestyle choices/obesity etc .. I think 50% of heart conditions are preventable.. I think now is the first time that we are living shorter lives than our parents..
    My grandfather had the healthiest lifestyle imaginable -- never drank, never smoked, worked outside doing manual labor on the farm, ate the healthiest of fresh veggies and fruits that we grew, never overweight. He still got diabetes and ended up dying from heart disease, becuase that's genetics.

    My uncle, also never drank or smoked, a marathon runner, never overweight, had a stroke in his 40's because of the stress of his job (he was on the "star wars" anti-missle defense project).

    The biggest killers are stress, poverty, and a lack of preventative healthcare options. Punishing people for not choosing options that are not available to them is not the way. Even in Australia, the people most likely to be obese are poor, indigenous, and rural, and they are being denied effective treatment: http://news.bio-medicine.org/medicin...atment-8652-1/

    "The major risk factor in poor health is poverty. Poverty is always the biggest cause of death. In South Australia for example, 38% more people die between the ages of 15 to 64 in Enfield, than is expected, given the death rate for the whole state. In the more affluent East Torrens, the death rate is 42% below the state average for 15 to 64 year olds. Poverty affects the health of people in many ways – poor nutrition, poor lifestyle, stress, poor nurturing, exclusion and addiction. The main reason why Indigenous Australians have poor health is because they are poor. Here again – the solution is not more medical services." http://www.unisa.edu.au/studysas/gra...mar06johnm.pdf


    If you want to change the healthcare system, the way to do it is not to lobby for more restrictions to not treat people, but to lobby for the government to create programs to alleviate poverty, make better food choices available at cheaper rates, make necessary mental health drugs affordable and available to those who need it so they don't need to self-medicate with things like smoking or drinking. Saying: "Oh you made bad chocies so we're not going to treat you" is just going to mean more unnessecary deaths, not a change to people's lifestyle habits. Prevention, alleviation of poverty, access to proper healthcare/ food choices/ medication, that's what changes things. Not punishing people.
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    Less Govt....More self responsibility.....screw socialism....

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    Without Socialism it is WE who are screwed!
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    Yeah...

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    *syxxpm watches attentively with popcorn as senator brian "chief"mccain and Barack o Cozmo ready their opening statements.....
    the vibe says syxx so let it be syxx......

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    still wanting to take handouts from the man then eh???

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