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    This guy IMed me today for help. For those interested, it provides keen insight to my prior job. Some of you may get a kick out of it, but some of you may find it boring! I just felt like playing show and tell I guess, 'cause it's something that I take interest in. He found me from my AOL profile (searching for haircolor).

    [edited for privacy]: i see u have an interest in haircoloring
    Hard Rock Soul: yes...
    [edited for privacy]: do u color your own or others?
    Hard Rock Soul: both, but mostly others. I love my natural hair, so I only mess with an underneath layer.
    [edited for privacy]: what is your natural color?
    Hard Rock Soul: a medium to dark brown
    [edited for privacy]: nice color... i guess u enjoy changing someones color
    Hard Rock Soul: Yeah... because everyone's hair reacts so different, it's fun to see what comes up. And I like using my knowledge and skill to create what people want (as opposed to a disaster).
    [edited for privacy]: have u done bleaching too?
    Hard Rock Soul: yep.
    Hard Rock Soul: your name wouldn't happen to be Bill, would it?
    [edited for privacy]: nope
    Hard Rock Soul: okay.
    [edited for privacy]: i have natural bright red hair that i have been coloring for awhile with med ash blonde to tone it down
    Hard Rock Soul: wow... has that been working?
    [edited for privacy]: ok but i stopped coloring for a few weeks and just got a short haircut so now i am back to my natural color
    Hard Rock Soul: okay...
    Hard Rock Soul: and you want to bleach it again?
    [edited for privacy]: never had it bleached but i am thinking about it
    Hard Rock Soul: well see, here's the thing (I'm sure you know this already)-- red hair is extremely hard to get rid of. Sometimes, if you find a strong enough bleach to do the job right, it'll need to remove SO much of the natural pigment that it weakens hair to a point of breakage/"melting"....
    [edited for privacy]: i might just go with a darker shade of blonde or brown
    Hard Rock Soul: what you could try to do is lighten the hair so light that it's a pale yellow, like the fruit part of a banana and use a special mixture of 1 part shampoo, 1 part developer, 1 part color of either a pale ash or a light ash blonde. But watch the timing, maybe test it first. sensitive hair can turn green or similar colors.
    what shade of bright red do you consider your hair to be?
    Hard Rock Soul: is it like a tomato, or a goldfish, or a pumpkin? copper penny?
    [edited for privacy]: more like a pumpkin with a bit of grey in it
    Hard Rock Soul: if you wanted to go darker, it could be easier. You could use a light or a medium brown color, but it may seem very dark to you. It will cut down on at least some of the red. the darker the color and longer the timing, the more elimination of red. You can use ash for extra toning, although on natural redheads it can look really artificial.
    [edited for privacy]: u seem to really know alot about this subject
    [edited for privacy]: my stylist suggested using a beige tone instead of an ash
    Hard Rock Soul: Yeah :-) I'm a color technician/specialist.

    Beige as a toner? After bleaching? That's okay too, but it won't take away as much of the yellow... just make sure it's light enough or you may get pink tones.
    [edited for privacy]: too bad we arent local u would really fix my hair color perfectly
    Hard Rock Soul: lol I know, I get that sometimes. ;-)
    Hard Rock Soul: if you have a friend who's done this before who could help you, it may give you a little bit of peace of mind...
    [edited for privacy]: i bet u would enjoy coloring my hair too!
    Hard Rock Soul: I love it. I think it's great.
    Hard Rock Soul: I used to help people like this for a living, but I quit work to take care of my daughter.
    [edited for privacy]: i wish i had a friend who could do my hair
    Hard Rock Soul: :-( me too!
    [edited for privacy]: lol
    Hard Rock Soul: :-)
    Hard Rock Soul: are you having a good Valentine's Day?
    [edited for privacy]: if u saw me, u would either say, u love the red hair or sit me down and get the bleach ready
    [edited for privacy]: i am not dating anyone now :-(
    Hard Rock Soul: I love red hair, and I love natural hair, so I may just have convinced you to leave it alone (my customers in the past usually don't like that advice).

    I'm sorry! Maybe you should go out tonight, be with some people.
    [edited for privacy]: i am going out tonight
    [edited for privacy]: i want to color my hair first
    Hard Rock Soul: That'll be good. No one should be alone on Valentine's Day, even if they just spend time with friends.
    Well I hope it works out for you... What do you have there to use?
    [edited for privacy]: what do u mean, in terms of haircolor?
    Hard Rock Soul: right
    [edited for privacy]: probably going to get a drugstore haircolor like nice and easy med or dark beige blonde
    Hard Rock Soul: Good luck! To be honest with you, I don't think you're going to notice much of a difference ;-) But you can certainly always ask me for help if you ever need it.
    [edited for privacy]: i noticed a difference with the med ash blonde but now that there is more grey in it, i want to go a bit darker and have been told to use a beige tone
    [edited for privacy]: i dont want a major change
    [edited for privacy]: if i am going to change it more, i want to do it gradually
    Hard Rock Soul: Here's what'll happen if you use either of those.
    The medium beige will try to lighten you slightly, because it has lifting ability. This may turn you to a lighter shade of an orangey color, possibly a little closer to goldfish.
    the dark beige blonde will probably look as though it's done nothing at all. It isn't light enough to bleach you, nor dark enough to tone down the red. You will probably end up mad you ever bought it. But you are welcome to try it and see! ;-)
    [edited for privacy]: what would u say is the difference between med ash blonde and med beige blonde?
    Hard Rock Soul: Ash has more tonal deposits to eliminate brassy (like red) tones. Beige is more of a neutral to ash tone, with less elimination abilities.
    Hard Rock Soul: They are both equally light; both will try to lighten your hair, but stop short at an orange stage.
    [edited for privacy]: the ash blonde never lightened my hair
    [edited for privacy]: i think i will buy both a med beige blonde and a dark beige blonde, and will try the med shade first
    Hard Rock Soul: the medium ash? must not be strong enough, then... If you've liked it before, I suppose there's nothing wrong with doing it again...
    Hard Rock Soul: Alrighty... have fun! :-D
    [edited for privacy]: been told that beige is better on grey
    [edited for privacy]: and if its still too light i can go to a light brown i suppose
    Hard Rock Soul: um... yeah, but it may not be very apparent on your grey next to your darker pigmentation. If you were blonde to start, I would say that was an excellent choice!
    Hard Rock Soul: Yes, a light brown should develop into a medium brown for you.
    [edited for privacy]: bye the time i am done i wont have any red left in it
    Hard Rock Soul: Perhaps...
    [edited for privacy]: do u enjoy applying the color to someone and seeing it slowly develop?
    Hard Rock Soul: Not necessarily. I mostly appreciate the before and after. On most of the occasions I've colored, the timing hasn't been slow, it's been rapid.
    [edited for privacy]: when i color, it takes about 10 minutes or so to really show the difference
    [edited for privacy]: usually its a very light color cream at first that steadilly gets darker
    Hard Rock Soul: well, the color will usually oxidize to various shades once mixed and applied.... it's usually in most cases amber to start... going darker, sometimes strange colors depending on what you purchased.
    [edited for privacy]: i remember getting very nervous the first couple of times i colored
    Hard Rock Soul: yeah, a lot of people are.
    [edited for privacy]: if i leave it on long enough the ash blonde makes my hair look more auburn with brownish tones
    Hard Rock Soul: well that's actually pretty good. I'm surprised you got so much toning from it-- you were lucky.
    [edited for privacy]: most people couldnt tell i colored it since i did it regularly and it still looked red
    [edited for privacy]: either they couldnt tell or didnt say anything to me
    [edited for privacy]: a previous hairstylist noticed it every time
    [edited for privacy]: do u cut hair too?
    Hard Rock Soul: no, I'm only specialized in color, unfortunately.
    [edited for privacy]: did u color mens hair much?
    Hard Rock Soul: No, I've actually never colored men's hair
    [edited for privacy]: i bet u would like to color mine
    Hard Rock Soul: lol Why is that.
    [edited for privacy]: its a rather unusual natural color
    [edited for privacy]: and i think u would like the results
    Hard Rock Soul: is it? I'm sure it would be fun. Red natural hair can be so unpredictable anyway.
    Hard Rock Soul: But it's so pretty, I don't know why you'd want to change! I love natural red hair.
    [edited for privacy]: if u saw the before and after of when i colored it you would agree how much better it looks afterwards
    Hard Rock Soul: maybe....
    [edited for privacy]: if it looks good with the med beige i might just slowly go darker to light or med brown
    Hard Rock Soul: okay... do you want me to give you a warning or let you just go for it?
    [edited for privacy]: u can warn me
    Hard Rock Soul: okay. when you go from a lighter to a darker shade, the hair has a tendency to overabsorb pigment and go WAY too dark, even if it seems like a gradual change to you. mix 3/4 of the original shade with 1/4 of a darker shade (save unmixed portions up to 6 wks if closed up and stored in cabinets) to darken. next time, go half and half, then 1/4 original to 3/4 darker, until you are finally just using the single darker shade.
    Hard Rock Soul: this will be more natural and gradual without going Elvira on anybody.
    [edited for privacy]: wow i didnt know that, the nice thing of mens hair is it is usually short so if it gets ugly, there is always shears and clippers
    Hard Rock Soul: that's true. a lot of the men I've helped with advice and such have felt that way. so that's a plus.
    [edited for privacy]: last question, is buying a clairol color much different from one in a beauty supply store?
    [edited for privacy]: still there?
    Hard Rock Soul: sorry, hang on a sec
    [edited for privacy]: k
    [edited for privacy]: i guess u are busy now
    Hard Rock Soul: sorry.. yes, it is. Because the beauty supply color is very specific...
    Hard Rock Soul: it is meant to be used in very specific mixtures by trained professionals. It can accomplish the same as store color, but there are more variables making it more risky to the retail consumer, who kit color is much more convenient and easy for.
    Hard Rock Soul: easy to use. you know...
    [edited for privacy]: aside from the fact that beauty supply color is more difficult to use, is it better in terms of more fade resistant etc?
    Hard Rock Soul: not really. they're about equal. I would have to say it depends on the person applying the product, and the hair it's being used on. ;-)
    [edited for privacy]: so if i am happy with the results of nice and easy or preference then there is no reason to switch
    Hard Rock Soul: I'll tell you something else: the professionals don't know a heck of a lot more than the retail consumer regarding haircolor theory.
    Correct. Absolutely.
    Hard Rock Soul: But the pros get paid under the belief that this isn't true.
    [edited for privacy]: u are the first to tell me this, all stylists say that drugstore color is really bad stuff
    Hard Rock Soul: of course! and then they used to call me when they turned their clients hair blue.
    [edited for privacy]: i rather pay 7.50 a box then $50 at a salon for virtually the same thing
    [edited for privacy]: WOW!

    Hard Rock Soul: I agree. I think that's wise.
    Hard Rock Soul: You probably would do better on your own hair than a lot of pros, honestly.
    [edited for privacy]: so its off to walmart for me and nice and easy #106b
    Hard Rock Soul: alright! hope it works out for you.
    [edited for privacy]: i already checked the clairol website for the color number
    Hard Rock Soul: clairol has a pretty good site.
    [edited for privacy]: it sure does
    [edited for privacy]: so in 2 hrs or so, i will be done with this ugly orange grey hair
    Hard Rock Soul: lol well like I said, if you end up needed anything else, I'm right here. I'm sure it'll be okay though, if you've done this before.
    [edited for privacy]: i think i will be fine, i already added u to my buddy list... i dont think it will worse than med ash blonde... the clairol number is the same just without the b on the end
    Hard Rock Soul: needed=needing (oops)
    [edited for privacy]: i will let u know how it goes, thank you for all your help
    Hard Rock Soul: you're welcome! great talking to you.
    [edited for privacy]: same here
    [edited for privacy]: bye for now
    [edited for privacy]: signed off at 7:55 PM
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    since we're on the subject...I want a lighter hair color

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    I would just like my hair back -- I'm too young for this follicle cruelty.
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    I have to say it.....

    I was just WAITING for the guy to come out with some freaky scarey come on line about you coloring his hair and liking it, lol

    You handled it very well!!

    Hair color can be a crazy thing...Im glad I don't worry about it often, I just recently went to red again....

    hmm you don't hear of guys doing their hair too much...or well I don't...I'm sure you do!
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    i want my hair back...LOL

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    Originally posted by onegalacticwino@Feb 15 2004, 05:13 AM
    I would just like my hair back -- I'm too young for this follicle cruelty.
    you can have some of mine if you like

    it's getting kinda long...........



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    damn hon, your hair IS getting long!!
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    Why, Jason?

    Lisa, I know! Actually that kind of stuff isn't too uncommon to me. The people don't even know what you look like, but I guess it doesn't matter. There are some freaky people out there. This guy out in CA wanted me to write to him sometime. It can be a very flattering position to be in, but if this guy here from the IM started getting all kinky over haircolor, that would have been weird.

    And yeah, I got guys often enough. Men are actually more vain than they let on! Well actually, some men I should say. They were some of the perpetrators of one of our pet peeves: coloring with black and then getting mad at us that it's too dark and looks fake. Especially the 70 yr old men. That was just :tinker:

    Nice Dave! Keep your hair. I love men with long hair. Or anyone, for that matter. Joshua's is midback.

    I know it was an irrelevant post, but I felt like sharing. How lovely.

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    This seemed to turn into the hair thread, so I will share my story.

    Been growing my hair out since last year, it was kinda long. Well I shaved it last night :tinker: , ha ha, that one is called ;tinker:

    Anyways, I am kinda glad. I mean people liked my long hair, cause its all dark and crap, but I can't stand doing things in my life just to get the attention of the opposite sex! I refuse to do that crap cause I feel that I am not living for me, just for them. :blahblah: :blahblah: Ok, I will shut-up now.
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    i give you props. that takes balls to totally shave your head!!
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    yeah it's the other way for me

    I always had really short hair, usually just a skinhead near enough

    But I wanted long hair for a long time I guess I just wasn't able to for practical reasons such as school not liking it so I kept it short untill about 2 years ago
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    me just want's a lighter hair color...I was born with white/blonde, now it's dark blonde/light brown and it sucks

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    I think we all like a change once in awhile & hair color can be simple but dramatic enough
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    Awww Scott... You should def always do things for you and not for females sake, even though I KNOW long dark hair is very attractive.

    Jason... so get a light bleach and bleach it out! :P

    Yeah Lise... I think, from my point of view anyway, changing the hair color can make someone look like a totally different person. This past spring a girl from work did those partial cornrows in my hair (the ones the stop at the top of the head.... I don't know what else to call them) and wove in wavy burgundy hair. When my hair was done, my own hair was mixed with the burgundy and the way it was done made my hair look shorter, and of course redder and wavier. Everyone was shocked 'cause they thought I cut, dyed, and permed my hair (which I would never do, I love my hair). But it was great, because everyone told me I looked like a model and they were serious. I DID look really good, I gotta say. Some girl at work even had the nerve to tell me my natural haircolor made me look "washed out"!!! AHHH. So anyway, I may have to do that weaving stuff again for a self-esteem boost. I love it. It's a way to try some funky things out without changing my hair permanently. Next time, maybe I'll get blonde woven in.

    And since I'm prob boring the guys... I'll quit with the hair talk now.

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    so I just stick my head over the washing mech. and pour? haha

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    yeah if u do that J i wanna see those wonderful pictures.....lol

    Hey Liz...I agree. That sounds awesome. I love how it can totally make you feel & look like another person. The first time I dyed my hair I mixed in some blond & loved it. I've only done my hair not even a handful of times, but when I went red...i love it. I'm so pale it totally helps my completion.

    That hairstyle sounds really awesome to try. Only time I did the braiding was when I went to the Bahama's, I did my braids halfway til mid point and then the rest of my hair out. I loved it, until I came home and took it out...It was like 20 sizes too big, lol.

    hmmm I don't think they are bored by it...I think they secretly love it!!
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    Jason, that doesn't sound very healthy....

    Go get yourself a hair lightener. Like NRage or something. That's a "bleach"!

    I have been braiding my hair since I was 12, and I love it. What I always wanted was hair that looked like Janet Jackson's from Poetic Justice. But I never have gotten that and probably never will. A few years ago I had all of my hair (thick and past my butt, at the time) microbraided... and I left it in way too long. It started to grow out and was matted like dreads. When I finally got my hair undone, it was very worn and scraggly at the ends, so it had to be trimmed off. I'm glad I have my hair back, I just wish I could go easily from one style to the next. I love changing my hair. My hair is too thick to fit into any wigs I've seen, but those were all cheap wigs. (shrug) Lisa, how long did it take them to do your hair in the Bahamas? Was it neat, or was hair like sticking out of it and stuff?

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    hmm I think it seriously took her like 10minutes. Apparently thats how a lot of people make their money and they try & charge a LOT. She was like $2 a braid & did like seriously 30 small ones in mine. She said I owed her $60, I was NO WAY, i mean they can't force you to pay, I think I dropped 20 & since it was american it had more value.

    She did an awesome job, she had some oil & they were perfect. They stayed great until I decieded to take them out. I would like to do my hair like that again but haven't attempted it again.
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