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i got like 18 auctions and countin goin, i'm sellin anything that aint bolted down......i bet i could fetch a couple hundred for baroo even :wink: i might even sell my guitars :cry: i can't do them justice any way, but my electric is just so wicked it's gonna suck to dump it........but frEk has no job, frEk's pockets are empty, shit frEk aint got no pockets......frEk needs a new synthesizer for his electronic music class :)

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i'd grab that craig david cd from you frek, if it wasn't bundled in with like 20 other cds :) i like about half of that disc, his producer is super tight, though about half the tracks are cheese.

I've got virtual guitarist for ya if you sell your axes. :wink:

what like a guitar emulator? i never liked that stuff, never sounds real

puff daddy????

Way to go on the Musiq Soulchild and Arrested Development... I don't know why you'd want to get rid of those...!
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Yo, this shit IS real! It's only for ryhthm guitar but it's off the fukkin hook.

http://www.steinberg.net/products/ae/plugi...09&sid=05903228

Check out the sound clips.

Maybe it'll make yo skinny vegan ass stop procrastinatin and go buy a fukkin sound card already...heheheh

i like the new musiq album a lot better than aijuswanaseing..track 4 stop playin is da shit

the acoustic stuff aint bad, but the electric still sounds fake as hell to me....i never really like emulators of any sorts ("natural" drums, bass, guitar) even pianos........and shit i can't afford a soundcard now, i just dropped like a grand or 2 on equipment, but i think i'm gonna finish my current project on hardware and just get a sound card when i'm done to get it all on cd.......by then i should have more fundz and i can get a nice midi & audio interface, and another synth module or 2 maybe a nord modular and sell my roland workstation n pick up one a them 128 voice modules......should make my second effort alot easier

Man, you dropped a grand or 2 and you couldn't drop $100 on a soundcard? You don't know what you're missing man. You love sick sounds, and the sickest and most versatile shit is all computer based...and don't cost you a fukkin dime. :slap:

this coming from the man who did "push the button"

YES...YES...IT'S TRUE...IT'S TRUHUHUHUUE!!!!!!!!!

I have been seduced by the dark side of the force. :rofl:



BTW FrEk...Tee is selling his Soundcraft Topaz board...should take care of all of your mixing woes. He said he would work with YOU on the price if you're interested. I'm going down there Tuesday, so if you want it speak up now and I'll bring it back with me.

i don't think i'll be needing a mixer, next on my list is a condensor mic n a direct box w/ phantom power......but good lookin out

No Prob.

I got a DI or 2 layin around that you can have, no phantom power tho.

you might think of just getting a little mic preamp, frek. a lot of mic pre's come with compressors onboard which can be quite a nice addition, and they'll usually have tubes in them which will give you a nice warm sound.

i actually have an HHB Radius 5 / Fat Man 2 which is a nice little mic preamp / compressor. i got it mainly as a preamp front-end to run my guitars/bass/mic/synths/etc into my soundcard, but the compressor on it is surprisingly good and 'transparent' sounding. only thing that sucks is this version is a mono unit, so i can't run anything stereo back through it from my sequencer. anyway, just something you can think about. i paid like $400 i think for this one, and in that price range, i haven't really seen anything nicer.

also, if i were you, i'd go for something nicer than a behringer mic. check out the Rode mics like the NT1, or even the AKGs in the lower price range like the 2000B. i'm sure coz has a lot more experience than me with mics/preamps, he might have some good advice.

i just think in the long run, it's better to get a quality component that you can use 10 years down the line then just something really cheap and inferior which you'll want to get rid of so you can upgrade in a year anyway. the rode mic might be $100 more than the behringer, but i think it'd be a mic worth keeping for years, one that you could pull out and use for something or other even when you buy nicer mics down the line.

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/sid=02...l/base_id/59730

well i was thinking of picking this up to power a mic, and calm down the signal if i decide to record a little guitar or something else, i like the idea that this unit'l handle both. and yeah i was thinking a behringer mic, they make one for $100 and another for $200, but it seems most other condensor mics are like double that or into the thousand range. i need something versatile but i can't really afford something real nice about $300 tops so those mics you suggested atma all fit in my price range. i'm really stuck in my midi backround, i'm not really an audio man so i'm kinda at the mercy of advice and suggestions when it comes to that. i'm getting better with mixing stuff though, my stuff always sounded too thin now it sounds too thick haha.

I absolutely agree with Atma, you're better off buying quality and not having to replace it than buying the cheap shit and rebuying all the fukkin time (sort of what you're doing now...heheh). I know next to shit about mics, but I know that cads are great and priced right. I also agree with akgs, but alot of people don't like their sounds...I love em tho.

FrEk, stop fukkin around and get a sound card, at least a soundblaster live or audigy or something. Then you could use mic emulation and improve the sound of whatever mic you decide to buy. You could use all sorts of vst and dx instruments to get all the dope ass analog and industrial sounds ya want. And you can hook up reason and go the fukk off. After all that you can master your shit and burn it like a fukkin pro...and sell it right the fukk here!

Come outa the stone ages man!



ps- Yo, I'm fukkin feelin' those 1 finger chord effects on the house card...I'm puttin them mofos right to use.

when i get a nice 8 X 8 midi interface, i'll get a nice soundcard with lotsa inputs so i can still use my hardware. i'm thinkin this:

http://www.midiman.net/products/midiman/USB8x8.php

i don't think i'd need all those midi ins, but it seems all the units have ins to match the outs, and i still don't know what kinda sound card to get though, i'd rather mix stuff on the computer then with a hard board, so i guess having 8 stereo ins to match the midi outs would be nice, and a couple outs analog & digital to maybe send to my sampler or run through my synth or sumthin. if a souncard has balanced trs 1/4" inputs can a send a stereo signal into it? like would this be good:

http://www.midiman.net/products/m-audio/delt1010.php

for right now though my stuff'll get me through what i'm doin, although a computer based setup would definitely help. i got a 16 track sequencer and one channels doin the drums, controllin the samper and vocoder. and 2 channels for my korg synth, so i got 13 for onboard shit and with program changes i can get through ok. but i'm still gonna need a di n phantom power n a mic which is probably the only shit i'll get before gettin into computer shit. so i'll get there. i was fukkin around with the cubase and it was kinda confusing. i don't like playin a midi controller to record, i'm used to just goin n programming the notes & ccs n shit.......i didn't like the way cubase was lettin me do it, but there might be other ways to do that shit in it.

You can program the notes with cubase, or any sequencer for that matter. I don't use it (I fukkin hate it) but it should be pretty straight forward.

I'll tell you what, let's get together sometime in a week or 2 and just do some music shit. I'll get on the computer with you and run you thru how the programs work, so at least you'll have a clue when you fukk around with em. That should make it ez for ya.

sounds good, i aint got no job so pretty much any weekend is good for me.

I have a pet monkey...Would you like too pet my monkey?

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ps- Yo, I'm fukkin feelin' those 1 finger chord effects on the house card...I'm puttin them mofos right to use.

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check out 195 Euro Remix and tweek cc1 modulation, i think i'm gonna make it the lead on one a my tracks it's dope
197 highpass 303 is nasty in the lower octaves too

both a these fukkin patches were made out of internal waveforms too, that pisses me off. i coulda made these fukkin things myself if i knew what i was doin......i need to get into sound modeling more.......oh wait the patch numbers might be diff on your module oh well

just get a soft synth and learn some basic analog synthesis. it's actually very simple stuff once you get over the initial shock of having so many knobs and things to edit. but those basics will apply to practically everything else you're doing. understanding waveforms/filters/modulation/etc. will even allow you to make much better patches on your sampled-waveform PCM style synths.

i'm admittedly a bit of an analog synth purist snob--i make all my synth sounds from scratch using different synthesis methods simply because i love the process of doing it, it's much more rewarding for me then just editing prefabricated pcm sounds. what's even sicker are programs like Reaktor, in which you can actually build your own synths or samplers or anything you want to dream up, circuit by cicuit, component by component. i literally lock myself in the studio for days at a time figuiring out how to piece together something i've thought up, and then build it--it's ill. though the sampled waveform synths certainly have their place, and analog style sounds can't recreate stuff like that; it's an altogether different style.

you can get a VST synth like Pro-52, which is an emulation of the ancient Sequential Circuits Prophet 5 analog synth, and could then open it up in Cubase and mess with it. if you read some tutorials on analog synthesis basics to help you along, you'd be all set.

coz probably has a copy of pro-52 somewhere he could send you. if not, i could hook it up.

cool, i just picked up a korg ms2000r i've played with them alot before and they're pretty powerful so i decided to nab one, still waitin for it though. i'm also taking electronic music I this semester, which is mostly about synthesis so i should be able to come up with some wicked shit. the only soft synths i've ever really fucked with was some fruity loops shit and a little of the vst. i wasn't really too impressed but i'm sure theres some dope shit out there, but i'm still skeptical about it beating out hardware, and yo atma hook up a beat lets hear summa your shit, i think i heard a clip from you but only once

and chief, my monkey's bigger than yourz

i had a little monkey i took him to the country and i fed him on gingerbread..out came a choo choo and knocked my onkey cuckoo and now my monkeys dead.....

Yup, got pro52, reaktor, and tons of other shit to boot. If only someone we knew had a fukkin soundcard...heheheh.

Yeah, that was me too, analog fiend, once upon a time. I gotta admit though, all the pcm shit has made me real lazy when it comes down to programming. I guess it has alot to do with becoming so much more of a music biznesser insted of the artist that I used to be...always in search of the instant gratification.

Heheh...damm, somedays I really miss my pro one and my rs09.

Here's some nostalgia for ya Atma...all the synths that I traded in (that I can remember) long time ago...when I was seduced by the darkside.

Roland Juno 60, Juno 106, Jupiter 6, JX3P, JX8P, MKS80, RS09, SH101
Yamaha DX7, DX9, DX21, Oberheim Matrix 12, Sequential Cirquits Pro One, Kawai K1, Casio CZ101 (2 of em!)

Shit, I won't even bother with all the drum machines, samplers, sequencers, vocoders, and the other misc. doodads that I had laying all over the fukkin place. I had 2 fukkin Roland TB303s that I had bought when they first came out (they cost like $100), lent them to somebody over the years and never saw them again.

Long before Newcleus (and MIDI), while Flash was up in The Bronx on the beat box, I was rockin partys in Brooklyn on the beat box (TR808), bass box (TB303), voice box (Electro Harmonix Vocoder) and space box (SH101).

Aaaahhhhh...those were the days.

Now, all my synths fit into a 12 space rack (except the wavestation,which is my controller also). Shit...I feel unclean...heheheheheh :rofl:

Yeah Atma, let's check some of your shit, Be was tellin me it was phat as hell.

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check out 195 Euro Remix and tweek cc1 modulation, i think i'm gonna make it the lead on one a my tracks it's dope
197 highpass 303 is nasty in the lower octaves too

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Yo FrEk, you aint got the vintage synths card? There's tons of shit like those on there. And yeah, they come up the same patch#s on mine.

ya know what coz, i'm gonna buy tha shittiest sound card i can find......na fuck that, matta fact i'm gonna get an offboard cd burner, do a whole album on my hardware n burn it....and make your ears bleed with some dirty ass industrial :flipoff: hahaha, na for real i'm workin on gettin a sound card but waitin till i can afford a good one, but i want something that will compliment an 8 X 8 midi interface, i guess i'm gonna need 8 stereo ins for the mix down then right? i don't even see any audio interfaces like that anywhere unless i get two of them which is $$$. i really don't want a mixer, it seems excessive, expensive, and cumbersome in terms of space. i mean i can just fuck with the volumes of stuff through midi cc7, why get a mixer? but if i do like i said first, is my computer gonna commit suicide sending up to 128 midi channels and recording 8 full stereo tracks at once? (ok, just the worst case scenario assuming i have 8 16-part synths pumpin all at once)

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Long before.....MIDI

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i don't understand how people made music before midi, fuck that midi's the only reason i got into (well stayed into) music, but i was playing for about a year before i ever touched midi and i bet i'd be damn good performance wise if i never touched midi, but fuck it

and yeah i got the vintage synths and there is alot a simialar shit but those just got the right bite, and that one finger stuff reminds me of the doors, that flat minor 7 stuff

goddamn, coz. you had some amazing shit, man. junos & jupiters are always fat, and the dx synths can make some insane patches if you really spend time working with them (tried native instruments FM-7 yet?). but especially that oberheim synth, that's one of the sickest analog synths ever made, it's just a monster. those things sell for a lot now days.

dudes as soon as i get some full tracks together that are worth downloading, i'll drop some links for everyone to peep. though lately i've mainly been easing away from more electronic productions to just playing guitar and trying to do some 'songwriting'. it's really easy for me to just get so caught up in the production / technical aspect of music (which i love), i just gotta get away from it and take a fresh approach.

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na for real i'm workin on gettin a sound card but waitin till i can afford a good one, but i want something that will compliment an 8 X 8 midi interface, i guess i'm gonna need 8 stereo ins for the mix down then right? i don't even see any audio interfaces like that anywhere unless i get two of them which is $$$. i really don't want a mixer, it seems excessive, expensive, and cumbersome in terms of space. i mean i can just fuck with the volumes of stuff through midi cc7, why get a mixer? but if i do like i said first, is my computer gonna commit suicide sending up to 128 midi channels and recording 8 full stereo tracks at once? (ok, just the worst case scenario assuming i have 8 16-part synths pumpin all at once)

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Personally, I think the way I run my shit is the way to go. Get a mixer and run all your midi shit direct. After all, you're already recording them through midi, so there is really no need to record them thru audio. In this way, all of your audio trax are freed up for just that...audio. The way you are planning to do it would hog up your audio card resources unnecessarily.

As for your computer being able to handle it, you have a great computer FrEk (as far as pcs go), you just need more ram. Again tho personally, I would invest in a nice cheap used mac, and use it solely for music, believe me it's MUCH more gratifying (and stable).

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goddamn, coz. you had some amazing shit, man. junos & jupiters are always fat, and the dx synths can make some insane patches if you really spend time working with them (tried native instruments FM-7 yet?). but especially that oberheim synth, that's one of the sickest analog synths ever made, it's just a monster. those things sell for a lot now days.

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Man, my boys still clown me on that Matrix 12. The day I traded it in, as I was still picking out the shit I was getting for it somebody was buying it for like $500 more than I got for it. Turns out they only made a limited amount of em, and hell yes that mofo was sick as shit! I just got more space conscious and we weren't touring anymore, so I started dumping keyboards. Now I feel sick when I see the prices all of my old gear is selling for.
Ya know, I've got the FM-7, but I haven't checked it yet. I rarely fukk around with music on my pc and I only use SVP on the mac (no vst2) so I've been missing out there. I just grabbed cubase 5 for the mac though, I'm gonna install it so I can fukk with virtual guitarist, and then import the audio into svp, and then I can finally use all these vst instruments I've been collectin. I gotta redo my pc for the umpteenth time (that ultra stable windows xp has been unstable as hell for me), and then I'll get Matt's studio rollin with all the toys...heheheh

i can't imagine a case where you'd ever be running anywhere near that many midi parts, and if you were, you've got way too much shit in your mix! but at least when you finish a track, you're gonna likely want to record all your midi tracks to audio so you can apply compression or other fx like reverb or whatever, and then be able to master your shit either there in the sequencer or in another editor. but with 128mb ram, your system is likely to choke up trying to record anything more than 1 audio track. it depends on how fast your cpu is, how fast your hard drive is, and a myriad of other crap that isn't really fun to think about or have to mess with, but seriously, a lot of the dudes i know who use their computer as the main studio for everything, have up to like 2 gigs of ram. you wouldn't believe how much even little things like fx plugins eat up resources.

but anyway, my point was that once you have all your parts set up the way you want, you can simply record 1 midi part at a time as audio (or however many you can get away with at once). it shouldn't be that big of a hassle.

midi really doesn't take up a noticable amount of resources on the pc, as far as i've been able to tell. i dont know what would happen if you were running like hundreds of midi parts, but midi data really doesn't tax the cpu much. audio on the other hand, is a bitch.

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well i'm definitely gonna want an 8X8 midi interface, i think i'll make good use of it. so you guys are sayin i really just need a sound card with like one set of stereo ins? (maybe a digital i/o would be nice too) and i should just record the audio of what each synth or whatever is doin one at a time? then i'll still need a mixer to route it together so i can hear it all while still creating it (like an 8 stereo track mixer). now once i get into this i plan to dump my roland xp-50 and pick up a 32 part xv5050 and it'll take all my expansion boards and be my one roland unit. so in a full mix would i record from audio everything that unit is doing or grab like each instrument out of it onto seperate audio tracks? (just bear with me here, this computer stuff is alien to me).......my local sam ash has an old juno there sellin, i forgot to peep the price tag......just looking at the thing though i'm thinkin, that ugly dusty thing is what everbody is ranting and raving about? maybe i should get them to hook it up and let me have at it, i don't know though i think i'd still rather go new skool.....hand me a nord modular or lead 3......or that new virus C synth is fukkin ill, you guys mess with one yet?

Which Juno is it? The 60 is hella dope, but I doubt it's that, and if it is you have to make sure it comes with the midi conversion module (yes, it was pre-midi). The 106 was cool, but I wouldn't pay but so much for it.

Okay, lemme give ya'll a rundown on my setup so you can get a better idea of how I run shit.

My midi interface is an opcode studio 5, which has 15 ins/outs. I have 8 modules/keys plus 2 yamaha 01v digital mixers all hooked up midi so I'm using 10 of the ins/outs. I NEVER burn the midi trax to audio, I just eq, compress, or do any other processing right on the boards individually for each sound.

I use a pro-tools dp24 card with an 882/20 I/O for my audio interface (8 in/out) and dedicate it completely to vocals, audio instruments (guitars) and extra samples and sound effects. I don't use the pro tools software or dae however, I use Studio Vision Pro 4.2.2 in acadia mode.

I have a beige G3 333mhz with a G4 500 mhz upgrade installed and 384 megs of ram, of which I dedicate 250 megs to SVP. It has 2 internal 9 gig 10,000 rpm scsi harddrives, the 2nd of which is dedicated to audio. I have run 20+ trax of audio with 2 plug-ins (autotune and pluggo) on each track and 2 stereo busses with a waves truverb plug-in on each, all playing simultaneously with a good 10 trax or so of midi...all without so much as a hiccup. I wouldn't even dream of trying this on a pc (not that it can't be done, I just wouldn't dream of it...heheh). Like Atma said, it's ridiculous to even think about 8 16 part synths working all at once, you wouldnt even need that much to simulate a philharmonic orchestra. But, also like he said, it's the audio that taxes your ram and your cpu...GET YASELF A MAC.

Once I have the mix how I like it I mix it all down into the computer and master it there. I will often transfer the mix to my pc and master it in soundforge or wavelab, cause they beat the shit out of peak for mastering.
For the life of me I don't know why I haven't tried TRacks yet, cause everybody swears by it (just lazy I guess), but I think I will on the next track.

There are many ways to skin a cat (woops...sorry...how 'bout an orange...heheh), but if you want the most long range satisfaction, buy yaself a good and cheap used mac. Pick up an audio interface like the MOTU 828 and a used studio 4 or studio 5, and ya in bidness baby! Depending on the mac you buy you may also need to buy either a firewire/usb card (older macs) or a serial interface (newer macs). Then you can enjoy the wonderful world of svp, while you're learning the amazing world of logic audio.

them motu's aint no joke, xpensive to get a real set up goin but nice. it's cool you can upgrade so easily and utilize one slot in tha cpu still. as for gettin a new cpu i'm not sure if that's practical for me, not till waaay down tha line anyway. and yeah i'm startin to see the place a mixer would have. like i said though i think i'm stuck with the pc for a while, i could get a midi interface, and almost an audio interface or mixer for what gettin a new cpu would cost, u peeple who use macs sure do rant n rave about them though

I just saw 2 macs just like mine go on ebay for $200.

BTW, the 828 has 2 mic preamps and phantom power, it's firewire so it duznt use up any slots on your pc or mac, and its under $700 brand spankin new.

firewire? i found a mixer w/ 8 mono and 4 stereo for $250, and it's got phantom power, but i don't think it's automated w/ midi or nuthin, but can i plug an instrument or sumthin directly into a mixer or will i still need a di?

http://www.behringer.com/02_products/prodi...X2642A&lang=eng

and with a mixer i don't really need some bad ass audio interface do i? i got 2 patch bays so reconfiguring is easy enough i'm thinkin this for $229, i bet i could even find a used one:

http://midiman.net/products/m-audio/delta44.php

and the only place i could find that opcode shit was on ebay and they were all in questionable condition, or were up there for parts. but the original 8X8 midi interface i was peepin is like 3 bills, but again i bet i could find one used.

i looked at the macs and there was like a million of them up there on ebay so i just said fuck lookin through all that, i don't really even know about them, but shit my computer's not even a year old i doubt i'd run into many more problems with it than i would an older mac. i just want a modest set up for now anyway to get me recording through college n shit, as long as the sound quality aint like garage band shit, but still reasonably clean, how integral would having a mac as opposed to a pc be really? and the only other thing i can think of (beside more synths) is a mic so i guess like 2 bills there. so all together that's like a G + whatever cables n more ram, but findin shit on ebay should help.........shit, i might have to get a job again :cry: i don't know whatta ya think? and i'm still gonna take ya up on them lessons :wink: oh and what kinda board does T have? like somethin monster or comparable to what i'm thinkin? and thanks for lettin me pick your brain so much, me u n atma are makin our own 3 man forum here :) budget's a key thing too though, even if i have to upgrade down the line it's cool, it'd take me till down the line to get top notch shit anyway....................oh and speaking of ram how much do i need? it don't take up no slots does it? it goes internally right? here's my specs again:

Dell
Intel®
Pentium® 4 CPU 1.60GHz
1.59GHz
128 MB of RAM
and a 20 gig hard drive, so i figure a nice big one is due

seriously, if you're planning on recording or playing back a lot of audio tracks + running fx, etc. on top of that you need as much ram as you can afford.

i actually think 20 gigs is likely enough space for your hard drive, especially if you have a cd burner to back up wavs or finished tracks on. unless you have tons of useless shit taking up space on your drive, or too many other programs installed. but even more important is the speed of your drive. the scsi drives are still faster than the standard IDE drives, but the IDE's are getting a lot faster. so if you do buy a new hard drive, do some research and find one thats as fast as you can get and make sure you have DMA enabled on your pc, as this is the only way you can get the higher speeds out of your hard drive or even your cd drives. i think the fastest speeds for hard drives at the moment is like ATA-133 or something?

like i said, i know doods that have up to 2 gigs of ram, & though that isn't practical for you, it gives an idea of how much ram audio programs like cubase can really need to run smoothly. you should at least get a 512 slot of ram, and if you still can't run the amount of tracks you need, then you might have to get more.

yeah i do have alot of useless shit on my pc, i should dump most of it. i was looking at ram and some shit is like twice or triple the price of other shit of the same amount of ram, is there really that much of a quality difference? i'm feelin thoughs motus though, maybe i should just wait till i can afford one a them, i got tons of midi work to do before getting into any audio anyway, and my sampler will do for small bits of audio. i should get a midi interface asap though, i mean i'm doin alot of sequencing on my roland workstation but in the end i'm gonna wanna be computer based so i'm probably wasting my time with a little 16 track sequencer cuz i'm gonna wanna transfer it into the pc anyway. maybe i could just save to floppy and load the midi files into cubase? or sync my workstation n pc and just directly record the midi signals, although i was fukkin around wit cubase a little more n it seems it wouldn't be too much trouble to re-sequence some tracks, but time consuming enough to wanna get around doin it. and i only got two synths, and my samplers got 2 stereo inputs so i could use that as my "mixer" for now until i can get a real one. but don't they make full stereo mixers? everything i find is like half stereo and a shit load of mono. even as far as mic-ing most all of my vocals are gonna be sent through my vocoder which is stereo too, so i guess i'd still need one mic channel on the board for the phantom power and run it out n aux into the vocoder, 2 at the most for guitar or sumthin any more would just be luxury, but all these boards got just as much mono shit as stereo i guess i'd have to just use 2 channels as one stereo but wtf it's not like i'm mic-ing a full drum set or sumthin, there's gotta be sumthin geared towards keyboardists, no? oh and the only other thing, i will be able to use my xp-50 as my master controller and take advantage of it as a full 16 part synth right?