okay, but seriously, guys. what is chief's connection with pm dawn?
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okay, but seriously, guys. what is chief's connection with pm dawn?
i have no connection.....just a fan sir..just a fan....
is a persian white or black?
i was watching malcom x the movie today and i was like "fuck the white devils" then i'm like oh shit i think i'm white.
haha
Persians are neither, they are Asians, which makes you more Indian than Chief! :lmao:Quote:
Originally Posted by Moe
Persians, like the rest of the Middle East, are considered racially white, not Asian. I don't think we're even considered a "minority," although that might have changed with recent events.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cozmo D
So, everybody in the Middle East is considered racially white huh? :bs:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mistress M
I guess it all depends on who is doing the considering! :rotf:
Well, true dat. Although you're right on calling me that many Africans also live in the Middle East. But Persians and people of "Middle Eastern descent" anthropologically (and according to the U.S. census categories) are "white/ caucasian" racially. Which disappointed the hell outta me when I filled out my college applications many years ago. I was hoping to cash in on some minority fellowship, but alas!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cozmo D
"chief" began when he went to see pm dawn at the decatur show.. he hasn't looked back ever since... stoppy stopp!! :clap: :clap: :clap:
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Originally Posted by Mistress M
so a pakistani guy is a white guy
what on earfffff
A pakistani guy may be considered Asian, but I'm not sure about that. But people from Jordan, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Palestine, Israel, UAE, Saudi Arabia, etc. are of a Middle Eastern ethnicity but are racially white.
Pakistani and Indian people are considered West-Asian.
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Originally Posted by Mistress M
Do you do this just to drive me nuts? My dad's Middle Eastern and I've been checking off census boxes all my life. Look it up dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cozmo D
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/meta/long_68178.htm
White. A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa. It includes people who indicate their race as "White" or report entries such as Irish, German, Italian, Lebanese, Near Easterner, Arab, or Polish.
Asian. A person having origins in any of the original peoples of the Far East, Southeast Asia, or the Indian subcontinent including, for example, Cambodia, China, India, Japan, Korea, Malaysia, Pakistan, the Philippine Islands, Thailand, and Vietnam. It includes "Asian Indian," "Chinese," "Filipino," "Korean," "Japanese," "Vietnamese," and "Other Asian."
If you really want to get technical about race, the American Anthropological Association has officially taken the stance that genetically there is no such thing as racial categories at all: http://www.aaanet.org/stmts/racepp.htm so put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Yeah, well if you're gonna let the USA define who you are racially then go right ahead. After all, they have traditionally and LEGALLY said that if you have a single black GREAT GRANDPARENT then you are black!:rolleyes: Like I said, it all comes down to who's doing the considering.
From your 3rd link (EXCELLENT, THANK YOU!!!)
Of course, you and I already knew this, so pardon me if I don't tow the federal line on race. I basically agree with the premise that there is no such thing as race, but since we are programmed to be racially minded allow me to say :bs: to the American position one more time. It is obvious to me and to everyone who has eyes that Southeast Asians and North Africans are much closer to Central Asian stock than they are to European. As for Persians themselves, all you need do is check their physical depictions of themselves in their ancient artwork and see that they looked even less European then. Of course, Alexander's conquest brought European infusion and it would be naive to think that did not continue throughout history, but, by MY consideration, they are NOT white! :butt:Quote:
Historical research has shown that the idea of "race" has always carried more meanings than mere physical differences; indeed, physical variations in the human species have no meaning except the social ones that humans put on them. Today scholars in many fields argue that "race" as it is understood in the United States of America was a social mechanism invented during the 18th century to refer to those populations brought together in colonial America: the English and other European settlers, the conquered Indian peoples, and those peoples of Africa brought in to provide slave labor.
Whoa horsey! I'm sorry, but I think your "eyes" are looking from a very limited perspective on what Middle Easterners looks like. And maybe it's because there's a limited idea of what "white" looks like too. What do you consider mediterranean people to be?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cozmo D
Here's a woman who I went to college with: http://media.actorsaccess.com/photos...873F001065.jpg Her parents are Persian, she was raised Muslim. She also has green eyes and freckles (although you can't see them very well in the picture).
This man is Saudi Arabian:http://www.saudiembassy.or.jp/1234/C...inceSultan.png and so's this guy: http://www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/pub...stextimage.gif and this guy: http://www.btcorp.us/mt/images/turki-al-faisal-pic1.jpg
And let's look at the crown prince of the UAE:
http://www.kickboxingnetwork.com/cop...N%20PRINCE.JPG
And these young men are from Jordan:http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/20...b__430x250.jpg
Check out the one on the far right...looks almost like an Indiana frat boy?
Even in the ancient art, Persians look Mediterranean. Here, let's play a game. Tell me which of these are Persian (pre-dating Alexander) and which are Greek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Coz
http://www.metmuseum.org/Works_of_Ar...n59.2.l(1).jpghttp://www.metmuseum.org/Works_of_Ar....29.1.l(1).jpg
http://www.metmuseum.org/Works_of_Ar.../gr28.77.L.jpghttp://www.metmuseum.org/Works_of_Ar...r30.11.9.L.jpg
http://www.metmuseum.org/Works_of_Ar.../an56.56.l.jpg
http://www.metmuseum.org/Works_of_Ar...r32.11.1.L.jpg
However: if you want to say Middle Easterners are not "white" because the concept of "white" denotes a position of geo-political power and privilige, I would agree. But don't do it because anyone with "eyes" can see that they "look" Asian. No one in my dad's family looks even remotely "Asian," and I don't think that makes them less middle eastern.
I'm Ceaserian
Born by ceaserian section.
Still leave the house by the windows
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Originally Posted by Mistress M
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In the pictures, the only person who I would have automatically presumed to be white was the one who you pointed out as looking like a frat boy. Every other one looks non-white to me. BTW, I know MANY black people with green eyes and freckles, not sure what your point was there. My youngest son has freckles.
In the art the only one that clearly looks non-white to me is the bottom, though I can't make out the one immediately above it at all. The statue of the lone standing man I could go either way with.
I picked both Terrick and Moe as being of non-white decent immediately upon seeing their pictures, even though neither had said anything about their heritages. I did miss SDL though, but Lebanon was a crusader state so that is understandable.
So, how'd I do? :wiggle:
Perhaps our real disagreement is over what an "Asian" looks like? "Asian" today has come to denote what used to be called "Oriental" when I was growing up, but that is not what I mean at all. Asia is our largest continent, with many different peoples, all having their own rather distinct features. I mean "Asian" in the broadest of senses, as one who looks like they descend from the continent of Asia. I mean white as one who looks like they descend from the continent of Europe, also a very broad statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mistress M