im waiting to see it in the privacy of my own home....for one..i hate crowds..number 2...its very personal experience...plus im a cheap ass
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im waiting to see it in the privacy of my own home....for one..i hate crowds..number 2...its very personal experience...plus im a cheap ass
That's actually how I see it...and how the people at my church see it...that's why I wear one. Its a symbol of my faith, my love, and how I choose to live.Quote:
Originally posted by BrianCCXXI+Apr 7 2004, 04:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BrianCCXXI @ Apr 7 2004, 04:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Coz@Apr 7 2004, 02:47 PM
I would also disagree with your contention that people see the cross as a sign of salvation, hope, love, or Christ's teachings. They see an item of worship, plain and simple. Let somebody desecrate that cross and see what happens.
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So, if I took a cross and put it in a glass of urine, it wouldn't mean anything to you?
my reaction would be no..it wouldnt mean anything to me...its not the cross that i worship...but i see where your coming from coz...i believe most people would be up in arms seeing that..when in essance (sp) it should be about his teachings and how you should live your life and how you treat others..and knowing he died for your sins....
one thing though...you get to fetch it out of the cup..:)
but on that same note..doesnt the bible tell you to respect others...what may be right for me..may not be right for others, kinda scenario
I think for every positive aspect there are also negatives. The continued anti-Jewish slant of the passion play, regardless of subtlety, is a major problem. From what I have read it also abounds with scriptural inaccuracies. Just to keep Chief on his toes, let me also point out the continued insistance of portraying Jesus, His apostles, the Jews, and all of the other inhabitants as European by race in a land that's a short walk from and traditionally and historicly dominated by Africa.Quote:
Originally posted by BrianCCXXI@Apr 7 2004, 04:52 PM
I actually only see one good outcome from TPATC... even though it is showing the gruesome side-story as you put it...it has brought the religion itself to the attention of millions who never gave it though before...though it may be scewed...it may affect a lot of people in a positive way...kind of like a Christian heavy metal band...
Again, my passions (no pun intended) are history and Truth, and knowing both behind all of the particulars of this movie I will NOT be spending my money to support it. I may 1 day watch it for free however, but hell, I'd watch Gigli for free too. ;)
Perhaps to make up to the Jews, Gibson could make his next project about the story of Job, but instead of dealing with the entire story and the message behind it, he could just spend 2 1/2 graphic hours on his boils affliction. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
RACISM
OH..and for you newbies who dont know...i call out racism whenever Coz is oppressing my people...
I agree with everything you say here Chief, except the last part. I think the "Christ died for our sins" thing probably comes from Paul. It's never made any sense to me. Christ LIVED for our sins, and died so that He could rise again, and thus prove to us that He was indeed sent by God...and His Word is holy.Quote:
Originally posted by Chief Cwictocilacitee@Apr 7 2004, 05:35 PM
my reaction would be no..it wouldnt mean anything to me...its not the cross that i worship...but i see where your coming from coz...i believe most people would be up in arms seeing that..when in essance (sp) it should be about his teachings and how you should live your life and how you treat others..and knowing he died for your sins....
one thing though...you get to fetch it out of the cup..:)
point well taken...see..i can learn sumtin
Not sure what you're getting at here Kimosabee? :dunno:Quote:
Originally posted by Chief Cwictocilacitee@Apr 7 2004, 05:36 PM
but on that same note..doesnt the bible tell you to respect others...what may be right for me..may not be right for others, kinda scenario
hehehe...yeah..after i reread that, i thought...wtf were you getting at...LOL...i know what i was meaning, but it went deeper into the question that it needed too..
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Originally posted by Chief Cwictocilacitee@Apr 7 2004, 06:02 PM
RACISM
I can always count on you Chief! :roll:
This is where the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints differs from a lot of other Christian faiths as well. Did Christ suffer for our sins? I believe that he did. Was it on the cross? No.Quote:
Originally posted by Coz@Apr 7 2004, 06:07 PM
I agree with everything you say here Chief, except the last part. I think the "Christ died for our sins" thing probably comes from Paul. It's never made any sense to me. Christ LIVED for our sins, and died so that He could rise again, and thus prove to us that He was indeed sent by God...and His Word is holy.
So here comes the doctrine, agree or disagree, that's your choice. Several hours before Judas Iscariot betrayed Jesus, he went to the garden of Gethsemane to pray. Each Gospel gives a slightly different account of what happened here, (in fact John barely touches it) both because each was written by a different person and for a different intended audience. They all agree that Christ went into the garden to pray. It is here where He paid the price for our sins. It was here that He took upon Himself all the sorrow and pain we ourselves will need to experience in order to be forgiven. What happened was more than just a philosophical idea as well, Christ "sweat ... as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground" (Luke 22:44). Metaphysically speaking, for a man to sweat one drop of blood is a freaking lot of pain. Enough to put you out even. However, Christ is a God. He was able to endure. It's because of this suffering (in the garden) he can act as our advocate before God at Judgement, not because of what happened on the cross.
Don't get me wrong, His death on the cross was important, but the Garden of Gethsamane was more so. He is the only person who had the power to resurrect Himself. No one else could have done that. And because of that we will all (every single one of us, regardless of how "good" or "bad" we are) will be resurrected. This gift is for free to everyone, irregardless of what they have done. Of course if you're good, you get to be resurrected first, there has to be some benefit for obeying the commandments :) (OK, there are others as well, I'm just poking fun at myself)
I'm with Coz on this one though, I'm not going to see the movie, if for slightly different reasons. Glorifying that particular portion of His life on the "big screen" is unimportant to me. Reading is always better than a movie anyways, it lets you experience it as you individually are meant to experience it (through the promptings of the Spirit). Even if it was free, though, it's still rated R. I made a vow never to see a rated R movie (nope, not even Matrix or Blade, both of which I *really* want to see), and that's still true. It'll be true till the day I die.
got to hand it to ya harm....thats quite a task youve taken there man...
see..its all in the interpretation.....
I've done it off an on for my whole life, and full time for two years. I think I'm up to it.
I won't Bash (Harm's dictionary - Bash: to argue back and forth over interpretation of scriptural passages or points of doctrine where neither side will agree that the other has a point), that serves no purpose. But on any given point of doctrine, I'll do my best to explain what I believe is right and back it up with scripture as necessary.
Again whatsA HORSEDOG>>>>>MIA HAMM???? THE SOCCER PLAYER?? MUSCELY WOMEN??
Coz, I could go around the Web and compile a list of the many good things, but I'm home from work and feel too lazy now. I'll leave it up to you to seek out if you think I'm making it up to help my argument.Quote:
Originally posted by Coz@Apr 7 2004, 04:45 PM
Can you name some of this "goodness"?
Oh...and I've never seen "Birth Of A Nation" either. ;)
I don't need a movie to aid me in my Christianity. :)
And a viewing of The Passion wouldn't be an aid for your faith but for your critique of the movie. Just think if someone bemoaned a new P.M. Dawn album here and later admitted they hadn't even listened to it! Yikes!
On a related tangent, did anyone see the documentary on the Shroud of Turin tonight? It was on the PBS eqivalent (Channel 13 in New York). Very thought-provoking, curiosity-arousing stuff.
ARGHHHHH :madrant:
I didn't see any of that but i did see a damn fine special on the Hindenburg. It's was pretty interesting all the way around. Nothing like big exploding Zeppelins with Nazi symbols on them to rope you in. Don't know what the show was called but it was on public broadcasting and it was all chock full of interesting things...
like.....The designer of the Hindenburg wanted NO PART of the Nazi symbols on the blimp but was forced. He also made sure to have the zeppelin named and placed on quickly because he did not want the blimp to be named -The Adolf Hitler-
See what happens when Lum finds a station he shouldn't....he learns.....