Efffed MUSIC for whom ever wants it

well...it's quite obvious to me that ..puffy's production style is based on PM Dawn so much that on my last three albums i had to cancel a few ideas...because he had already fucked up some samples...Faith in you was written around "i'll be watching you"...and i can't even tell you how many times we looped up cristopher cross's sailing...and that fucker just destroyed it..we were gonna use it on utopian...but the sample wasn't working with the rest of the trax...so we kept saving it for ..the next record....

so why do i like your music and think everything puff does sucks?
i think he's your nemesis, not a contemporary... and hes making us miss out on good sampling...

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Originally posted by pornstar76010@Apr 14 2004, 01:55 PM
Thank U Hero.
I have left that "business" behind though. ( I have a child and porn
just doesn't fit the criteria a parent should teach a little one.)
But.... If your offer was indeed true and not a cruel attempt at sarcasm
I accept. I am here to meet and greet all of those who love the music.
Oh and I made a mistake.
That concert wasn't at Red Rocks, it was at Fiddlers green amphitheater.
Everyone is fallable. :stupid:

no was serious... so what movies were you in? you know be was once in a porno...

I never liked Puffy either, as an artist I think he sux, as a business man I can't fault him...well..except for the whole making the band thing..those guys suck hard core. I still find it funny how PM Dawn got dissed for sampling and now EVERYONE and their dog does it..and over does it and it's so blatant, they hardly do any reworking of a lot of things. At least in my opinion when PM Dawn samples a track it's more like an artist at work, molding and scultping it into something new and more original sounding. If I recall, didn't Erick B and Rakim get flack for sampling too back then. PM Dawn fan aside, there is so much trash out there these days because some cat has a sound board, mixer and a sampling machine and thinks they are an artists..I can sample Mona Lisa's smile because I have a canvas and some paint, but that doesn't mean it's going to get hung in a gallery and be called art now does it?

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Originally posted by HieroHero+Apr 16 2004, 06:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (HieroHero @ Apr 16 2004, 06:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-pornstar76010@Apr 14 2004, 01:55 PM
Thank U Hero.
I have left that "business" behind though. ( I have a child and porn
just doesn't fit the criteria a parent should teach a little one.)
But.... If your offer was indeed true and not a cruel attempt at sarcasm
I accept. I am here to meet and greet all of those who love the music.
Oh and I made a mistake.
That concert wasn't at Red Rocks, it was at Fiddlers green amphitheater.
Everyone is fallable. :stupid:

no was serious... so what movies were you in? you know be was once in a porno... [/b][/quote]
A "down home" movie. Freakiest hoes in Dallas pt 1 & 2.
Be was in porn?! What was the name of that one?

i think theres a diffrence be in the way you sample and the way puffy rips. you take the sound and intigrate it puff takes the sound and just changes the words. gets old after about one riff of the song. theres not much difference in puffy and todays mesh-ups. by the way my best friend lost cross pink guitar in nashville a few years ago eheheh. i got a good sample toto's africa. ive been messing around with it for awile

OK...I'm gonna raise a furor here...but I see relatively little difference in the production methods of "Set Adrift" or "Patient Eyes" and those of Puffy's usual stuff.

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@Apr 14 2004, 01:55 PM
Thank U Hero.
I have left that "business" behind though. ( I have a child and porn
just doesn't fit the criteria a parent should teach a little one.)
But.... If your offer was indeed true and not a cruel attempt at sarcasm
I accept. I am here to meet and greet all of those who love the music.
Oh and I made a mistake.
That concert wasn't at Red Rocks, it was at Fiddlers green amphitheater.
Everyone is fallable. :stupid:

no was serious... so what movies were you in? you know be was once in a porno...

A "down home" movie. Freakiest hoes in Dallas pt 1 & 2.
Be was in porn?! What was the name of that one? [/b][/quote]
he went under the name "saule goode"

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Originally posted by Coz@Apr 20 2004, 08:32 AM
OK...I'm gonna raise a furor here...but I see relatively little difference in the production methods of "Set Adrift" or "Patient Eyes" and those of Puffy's usual stuff.

ill give you a difference coz..in fact a huge one.. pm dawn makes the new song better than the original..you cant say that about any of puffys tracks

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OK...I'm gonna raise a furor here...but I see relatively little difference in the production methods of "Set Adrift" or "Patient Eyes" and those of Puffy's usual stuff.

ill give you a difference coz..in fact a huge one.. pm dawn makes the new song better than the original..you cant say that about any of puffys tracks [/b][/quote]
If you're talking about vocals, yeah...though I would argue about "Set Adrift" and "True", which is an all-time classic. However, we were talking about music production and sampling, and aside from adding a beat...which is EXACTLY what Puffy and the rest of the generic sampling producers do...what else was done to those 2 tracks that was so special? :confused:

It's not about just one or two tracks but in the music as a whole, at least for me. Production wise they may have been produced in similar fashion but PM Dawn as a whole vs Puffy as a whole, there is more artistry in the production than in Puff's stuff, again in my opinion. Now I'm talking his stuff only and not stuff he's produced for other artists. Of course vocally Puff can't compare to Be, but then Puff's not a singer, not much of a rapper either if you ask me. There are plenty of other people I think are very artistic in the way they sample a track or loop or snippet, just think there are tons more that aren't.

My 2 cents are here as follows. I am drunk as shit now, let that be heard. Listen, Be makes great songs! Puffy makes songs that make you want to buy albums. I enjoy BOTH. I love PM Dawn, for their message and they are so astetically pleasing artistically. I like Puff Daddy, Diddy -> for all of his great songs that he had produced, for-saw, over-looked, and added too. Be makes songs meaningful regaurdless of the beat, and they are WITH A GREAT BEAT! Puffy makes good to great songs on every cd he puts out on his label, which makes him better than most of the people out there.

There are very few PM Dawn song that I don't like. Even if I don't like the beat a message protrudes it all. A message more important usually than the song itself. VERY FEW other artists are like that, truely, so that is why I like them.

Puffy is still good and a genius, reguardless of anyones thoughts, including mine. Time will write that story without us(and time will put Puffy there). But PM Dawn is Better, haha, it is true :rock: :rock: :rock:

most of my beef with puff has to do with his singing/rapping/making an appearance. most of his beats are good, and he definitely excels when others are on the mic. far as the sampling, i dunno. It seems to me the songs he hits big with are samples of much more famous songs than samples others have used. ie. i'll be watching you. and he has also sampled his share of songs that shouldn't be sampled, like that garbage he did for godzilla that was a dead copy of 'led zeppelin - kashmir' and also the one he did that he rapped right over the instrumental of 'luniz - i got five on it'. i think j-lo used that track at the same time too... i think part of the art of sampling is picking out songs that you know you know, but can't quite remember what it is. or maybe i'm just young and don't know my old music well enough...

i'm on a big kanye west kick right now, cuz i think he's come up with an original and quite different way to play with samples in his songs. most of his beats really have impressed me.

Hero.
That is unbelievable! The man is multi- Talented.
:bowdown: :rock: :bowdown: :rock:
I am gonna go look that one up.

ok, Be, before I go back and re-read all 17 pages of this, does the offer for F*ed still stand? I've been jonesing for some new stuff from you boys, and a two-week trip up and down the Cascade mountain range in Oregon and Californina would be a perfect time to tune into it. http://www.minbari.net/smiles/2thumbs.gif

I'm off to re-read the thread now, so if the answer's contained within, I'll find it. http://www.minbari.net/smiles/erm.gif I hope. ;)

I would love to get that!!! My address is gryphon22@yahoo.com. Thanks

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i've got an alarm hooked up to my mailbox for the day the coveted tracks slide this way ....