Let us welcome President Obama

[STANLEY C. TAYLOR]

YES WE CAN!!!

YES WE CAN!!!

I'm not at all surprised that Barack won. But I'm happy for him. And I pray for his safety

[Twisted.Mellow]

I agree. Congrats Obama - stay out of Texas for a while :D I thought it would be much longer before America elected a black President. Only time will tell if this is the best thing for the country, but it's a big step for racial attitudes.

[Twisted.Mellow]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dxl4lQ8tmdM

This song is a classic! And appropriate, too - btw.

[Wheeljak]

YES WE CAN!

Did y'all watch that victory speech? Whoa.

[hart]

Which one was he again?

[DJ Detroit Butcher]

:rock::cheers::haha::dance::dance::dance::manygrin ::os::party2::koolaid:

[Mistress M]

The speech was great!! I had a party last night to watch the election, I couldn't believe it was called at 11 p.m.

In the end, I voted for Obama (although I did it on a third-party ticket, so I felt like I was still supporting a multi-party system). After watching the debates and researching his economic plans, I realized how much he represented the ideals I believe in.

For the first time in my life, I politically feel like part of this country. In my lifetime we have had two ultra-conservatives, a conservative, and two moderates in the presidency. It starts feeling alienating after awhile that everyone in this office seems to be pandering to one part of America, a part you don't belong to. For the first time, I feel like the left has a chance to be represented, too.

This is a historical election. There will be a black First Family living in the White House. And this is first time a Gen-X'er has been elected -- a symbol for those of us in that generation that it is no longer our parents and grandparents ruling this country, but that it's now our turn.

:cheers: :dance: :party:

[Louis85]

...and hopefully we will do a better job.

[ElizabethX]

Yay Everyone! Yay Mistress!!! I feel so great, and so proud of my country, and so proud to be a part of this historic and meaningful event. We thought we would never see this day.

[Mistress M]

...and hopefully we will do a better job.

:rock:

Hey, at least we can't make it much worse...

[Bonkman]

AVERT!! ::hand motion::

Don't temp the fates of corporations and politicians in this country...

[hart]

The speech was great!! I had a party last night to watch the election, I couldn't believe it was called at 11 p.m.

In the end, I voted for Obama (although I did it on a third-party ticket, so I felt like I was still supporting a multi-party system). After watching the debates and researching his economic plans, I realized how much he represented the ideals I believe in.

For the first time in my life, I politically feel like part of this country. In my lifetime we have had two ultra-conservatives, a conservative, and two moderates in the presidency. It starts feeling alienating after awhile that everyone in this office seems to be pandering to one part of America, a part you don't belong to. For the first time, I feel like the left has a chance to be represented, too.

This is a historical election. There will be a black First Family living in the White House. And this is first time a Gen-X'er has been elected -- a symbol for those of us in that generation that it is no longer our parents and grandparents ruling this country, but that it's now our turn.

:cheers: :dance: :party:

I'll agree with that much. Let nobody disavow his worthiness as a totally kick ass symbol.

[Louis85]

:rock:

Hey, at least we can't make it much worse...


Tru dat.

[ElizabethX]

He's better than a symbol, and I expect he will prove that.

I don't want to hear any more put downs about Obama voters being commies and how he's a major leftist socialist, or jokes about throwing Obama out of a plane, how the heartland will never respect him ever, or hear about people who accuse him of downplaying his white heritage in order to win votes, or up-playing his black heritage to get votes, or people at workplaces complaining they didn't get enough sleep because they stayed up to watch the n_____ get elected...

EXCUSE ME...

I remember back when I hated Bush, being told how unpatriotic I was. That if I didn't support him or the war I didn't support our troops and I didn't love this country. Then when a black man wins by overwhelming popular vote, people can say whatever they want about their newest leader and president of this nation with ZERO respect and they aren't traitors? They aren't unpatriotic? They aren't anti-American? Hey, your guy had a chance, now it's our turn. And if you don't like it, now YOU can leave this country.

You know what? He won the election fair and square and without having to pull strings with brother in Florida or deceive black voters and tell them their voting location or DAY has been changed, and without throwing out votes or avoiding a proper recount. THAT's America and democracy, and all he wants to do is restore America and its citizens to a state of security and well-being and all people can do is accuse him of being a Muslim or the next anti-Christ? He's gonna fix your ass out of the trailer trash holes you're all in and all you can do is bitch about him? He's an elitist when he's too smart and educated for you to understand and appreciate him and a socialist when he wants to make sure your children go to fucking college and have health care at the expense of the people who have enough to feed nations yet perhaps don't otherwise give a shit about you or your family... WTF ever.

phew, I feel better now. Maybe this was better material for firing line? ha.

[wendyful04]

:clap:

[hart]

He's better than a symbol, and I expect he will prove that.

I don't want to hear any more put downs about Obama voters being commies and how he's a major leftist socialist, or jokes about throwing Obama out of a plane, how the heartland will never respect him ever, or hear about people who accuse him of downplaying his white heritage in order to win votes, or up-playing his black heritage to get votes, or people at workplaces complaining they didn't get enough sleep because they stayed up to watch the n_____ get elected...

EXCUSE ME...

I remember back when I hated Bush, being told how unpatriotic I was. That if I didn't support him or the war I didn't support our troops and I didn't love this country. Then when a black man wins by overwhelming popular vote, people can say whatever they want about their newest leader and president of this nation with ZERO respect and they aren't traitors? They aren't unpatriotic? They aren't anti-American? Hey, your guy had a chance, now it's our turn. And if you don't like it, now YOU can leave this country.

You know what? He won the election fair and square and without having to pull strings with brother in Florida or deceive black voters and tell them their voting location or DAY has been changed, and without throwing out votes or avoiding a proper recount. THAT's America and democracy, and all he wants to do is restore America and its citizens to a state of security and well-being and all people can do is accuse him of being a Muslim or the next anti-Christ? He's gonna fix your ass out of the trailer trash holes you're all in and all you can do is bitch about him? He's an elitist when he's too smart and educated for you to understand and appreciate him and a socialist when he wants to make sure your children go to fucking college and have health care at the expense of the people who have enough to feed nations yet perhaps don't otherwise give a shit about you or your family... WTF ever.

phew, I feel better now. Maybe this was better material for firing line? ha.

You believe you were unfairly silenced and insulted for expressing dissent towards Bush, so therefor you want to... unfairly silence dissent towards Obama? That hardly seems right.

I hope all of the good things you expect from Obama come to pass, I really do, but mark my words, if you grow complacent and uncritical of him out of fawning admiration, he WILL become the next George W. Bush.

[DJ Detroit Butcher]

rant

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::cheers::cheers::che ers::cheers:

Hart, I'm sorry. Your "published" editorial has me prejudiced against any of your opinions on this subject. I'm with Elizabeth, and Barack, all the fucking way. :rock:

[wendyful04]

.. but mark my words, if you grow complacent and uncritical of him out of fawning admiration, he WILL become the next.... [/U]

as is true with every human being on earth

[ElizabethX]

You believe you were unfairly silenced and insulted for expressing dissent towards Bush, so therefor you want to... unfairly silence dissent towards Obama? That hardly seems right.

I hope all of the good things you expect from Obama come to pass, I really do, but mark my words, if you grow complacent and uncritical of him out of fawning admiration, he WILL become the next George W. Bush.

No, I'm SAYING that what's "good for the goose is good for the gander". In other words, I am getting annoyed at the hypocrisy of those who told me what a radical nonpatriot I was when I didn't like Bush, but now that the guy THEY didn't vote for is in office they're fine with calling him a n_____? Where's their American pride now... their respect? I guess those people aren't radical nonpatriots, hmm?

Anyway, I expect great things from him and would not let my love for him blind me from his actions. If PM Dawn folks know anything about me and expectations and love and judgment... they know that. :haha: I'm probably much harder on the people I love in that sense.

[ElizabethX]

PS- I am surprised at the support from Wendy and Detroit, because whenever I go off like that I don't expect much positivity, so thanks for appreciating my venting. :) I know I kind of went off and everything and I feel better now....

[Mistress M]

It's a good rant, Liz and totally justifieds, IMO. :clap:

[hart]

as is true with every human being on earth

I think it's certainly true of all the major party candidates who were electable, yes.

[hart]

No, I'm SAYING that what's "good for the goose is good for the gander". In other words, I am getting annoyed at the hypocrisy of those who told me what a radical nonpatriot I was when I didn't like Bush, but now that the guy THEY didn't vote for is in office they're fine with calling him a n_____? Where's their American pride now... their respect? I guess those people aren't radical nonpatriots, hmm?

Anyway, I expect great things from him and would not let my love for him blind me from his actions. If PM Dawn folks know anything about me and expectations and love and judgment... they know that. :haha: I'm probably much harder on the people I love in that sense.

I certainly agree with you about racial slights. As long as we recognize that the free expression of dissent should be tolerated and is healthy for an open society, then word up, I agree completely.

[hart]

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::cheers::cheers::che ers::cheers:

Hart, I'm sorry. Your "published" editorial has me prejudiced against any of your opinions on this subject. I'm with Elizabeth, and Barack, all the fucking way. :rock:

Fair enough. I'm trying to shut up about it for a while, I really am.

What's with the quotation marks? I mean, what's with "the" quotation marks?

[ElizabethX]

thanks Mistress. Yeah Hart, I'm not denying anyone's right to criticize ANY leader... I was just having a real hard time understanding the reasons people have for allowing themselves a behavior they denied ME, and under shittier grounds.

Yeah, Detroit... I'm "published" too. :P

[syxxpm]

i was published in a highschool art book....(i guess im amateur :P)

yay,,..someone i finally vote for wins an election :)

[DJ Detroit Butcher]

Fair enough. I'm trying to shut up about it for a while, I really am.

What's with the quotation marks? I mean, what's with "the" quotation marks?

Not enough Coffee. My bad. I stand by the rest of my reply tho. But :cheers: anyway Hart. :cheers: Everybody!! E V E R Y B O D Y. :cool:

[DJ Detroit Butcher]

No, I'm SAYING that what's "good for the goose is good for the gander". In other words, I am getting annoyed at the hypocrisy of those who told me what a radical nonpatriot I was when I didn't like Bush, but now that the guy THEY didn't vote for is in office they're fine with calling him a n_____? Where's their American pride now... their respect? I guess those people aren't radical nonpatriots, hmm?

Anyway, I expect great things from him and would not let my love for him blind me from his actions. If PM Dawn folks know anything about me and expectations and love and judgment... they know that. :haha: I'm probably much harder on the people I love in that sense.

That's how I took it. And yes, Just because we are behind him, doesn't mean he's got license to fuck up now. :cheers:

[hart]

That's how I took it. And yes, Just because we are behind him, doesn't mean he's got license to fuck up now. :cheers:

Cool cool. That and the value of tolerating dissent were my only concerns that time.

I am impressed that Obama refused public funds for his campaign, I am impressed that he opposed his handlers on the campaign trail and did what he thought was right, I am impressed that he is planning to pull back money from overseas to revitalize our own economy, and I am impressed that he refused to return McCain's vicious personal attacks in like kind. Underprivileged children will aspire to be like him and will reject socially engineered defeatist control mechanisms, and this will have an immensely positive effect on our country.

[TrEEtheRealest]

I voted Obama and have preached on and on about him....I guess I just hate Republicans way more than I hate black people.

[Harmeister]

I'll remember that come Christmas time, tree.

<----- republican

[Louis85]

Great points, Liz. :)

[Wheeljak]

thanks Mistress. Yeah Hart, I'm not denying anyone's right to criticize ANY leader... I was just having a real hard time understanding the reasons people have for allowing themselves a behavior they denied ME, and under shittier grounds.
That's easy for me to understand. Many people believe that Constitutional rights are reserved only for themselves and for the people that they agree with.

[ElizabethX]

Yeah, I can understand that without really GETTING it... ya know?

[ElizabethX]

And thank you, Louis.

[hart]

I voted Obama and have preached on and on about him....I guess I just hate Republicans way more than I hate black people.

The buzz among the Bohemian Grove gang is that the Republicans are going to run Alan Keyes in 2012.

[xtristessax]

The buzz among the Bohemian Grove gang is that the Republicans are going to run Alan Keyes in 2012.


i have heard this also.

[Wheeljak]

The buzz among the Bohemian Grove gang is that the Republicans are going to run Alan Keyes in 2012.

This is an example of the cynical pandering that has gotten the Republican party in the situation that they're in now.
If they do that, they might as well just give up the race from the very beginning. Alan Keyes is a smart man, but he lacks the charisma expected of a world leader, and in some of the quotes of his that I've read, he sounded frankly paranoid, and we just don't need some paranoid nutcase with his finger on the giant trigger.
Also, even though he's black, he would have a hard time garnering the minority vote; he's against a lot of things that are important to minorities, like Affirmative Action. However, I'm hopeful that in eight years' time, there will be enough changes in the hearts and minds of Americans that Affirmative Action initiatives will be less important than they have been in the past.

[Louis85]

The buzz among the Bohemian Grove gang is that the Republicans are going to run Alan Keyes in 2012.

I agree with Wheel, running his stuck-up ass would be a mistake. I believe Black people love him almost as much as they "love" Clarence Thomas. If the Republican party is trying to do that just to go Black on Black, that is just completely ridiculous.

[hart]

This is an example of the cynical pandering that has gotten the Republican party in the situation that they're in now.
If they do that, they might as well just give up the race from the very beginning. Alan Keyes is a smart man, but he lacks the charisma expected of a world leader, and in some of the quotes of his that I've read, he sounded frankly paranoid, and we just don't need some paranoid nutcase with his finger on the giant trigger.
Also, even though he's black, he would have a hard time garnering the minority vote; he's against a lot of things that are important to minorities, like Affirmative Action. However, I'm hopeful that in eight years' time, there will be enough changes in the hearts and minds of Americans that Affirmative Action initiatives will be less important than they have been in the past.

He would be a disaster of a choice. Neither Democrats nor Republicans can win without appealing to the fence sitters, moderates, independents, and loosely aligned people. Keyes can only appeal to the hardcore full on conservatives, and they tend to vote Republican no matter what. It would be like running Richard Wright for the Democrats.

[ElizabethX]

I think it just shows how clueless the Republicans are... whenever they pick a token anything to run on a ticket, it's hardly a compliment to the people. And, it looks very desperate.

[LumtheMad]

I cannot express how pleased i am with this election. It makes up for the letdowns of the last 8 years a little bit. It felt like winning a championship or since i'm from Cleveland, what i'd imagine winning a championship would feel like. :)

A great moment in American history.

[filmwizdaddy]

Guess what OBAMA Rhymes with OSAMA......................:) JK I actually voted for obama.

[ElizabethX]

Lum, I agree and fail to properly find my words... "excitement" is such an understatement! We have yet to understand the ripples this actually sends through our world, future, and universe...

[Wheeljak]

He would be a disaster of a choice. Neither Democrats nor Republicans can win without appealing to the fence sitters, moderates, independents, and loosely aligned people. Keyes can only appeal to the hardcore full on conservatives, and they tend to vote Republican no matter what.
Not even them. The bulk of hardcore conservative whites (whites being the bulk of the hardcore conservative camp) would not be ready to vote for a black man, and of those who could conceive of voting for a black man, even fewer would want to vote for Keyes, who has said quite a few things that have raised questions in the minds of many about his mental stability.
The man is off his rocker.

[Wheeljak]

Guess what OBAMA Rhymes with OSAMA......................:) JK I actually voted for obama.

You know what else rhymes with Osama? Yo' Mama!
:haha::haha::haha:

[hart]

Not even them. The bulk of hardcore conservative whites (whites being the bulk of the hardcore conservative camp) would not be ready to vote for a black man, and of those who could conceive of voting for a black man, even fewer would want to vote for Keyes, who has said quite a few things that have raised questions in the minds of many about his mental stability.
The man is off his rocker.

I don't think so at all. I know plenty of hardcore conservative whites. I think that's just a myth. For one thing, they are still all dying to vote for Colin Powell even though nobody knows anything about him.

[Wheeljak]

I don't think so at all. I know plenty of hardcore conservative whites. I think that's just a myth. For one thing, they are still all dying to vote for Colin Powell even though nobody knows anything about him.

They say that because it's safe to say that. It's easy to make a declaration of what you would do in a certain situation, if you are reasonably certain that that situation is not going to happen. Powell ain't running.

Besides that, have you forgotten that a lot of hardcore conservatives are now denouncing Powell as a racist for endorsing Obama? In their world where the sky is red, Barack Obama has no redeeming value that would make someone in their right mind support him, therefore, Powell's decision to support him must have been some conspiracy of racial solidarity. Some ultra-conservative ayhole actually said to me in an e-mail "Powell endorsed Obama because of race, and you know it!"
Then I ripped that ayhole a new ayhole.

[Mistress M]

You know what else rhymes with Osama? Yo' Mama!
:haha::haha::haha:


Ohhhh, snap!! is this a "yo' mama" challenge?! :clap:

[hart]

They say that because it's safe to say that. It's easy to make a declaration of what you would do in a certain situation, if you are reasonably certain that that situation is not going to happen. Powell ain't running.

Besides that, have you forgotten that a lot of hardcore conservatives are now denouncing Powell as a racist for endorsing Obama? In their world where the sky is red, Barack Obama has no redeeming value that would make someone in their right mind support him, therefore, Powell's decision to support him must have been some conspiracy of racial solidarity. Some ultra-conservative ayhole actually said to me in an e-mail "Powell endorsed Obama because of race, and you know it!"
Then I ripped that ayhole a new ayhole.

Good point, but I really think they would have voted for him up until he did that. Before then, they were begging him to run and he wouldn't do it. (As to his choice of Obama, people maybe should steer clear of the race angle, but backing Obama is a strange choice for someone who broke political silence to come out as a Republican and even served under the Bush administration. For someone upset at Powell for this, "race" is not that hard a conclusion to jump to. A better explanation is to examine the circumstances surrounding Powell's exodus from the Bush administration, and consider Powell's support of Obama to be a legitimate expression of outright contempt for the Republican's betrayal of the American people and the world.)

I still have to challenge the notion that hardcore white conservatives have a racist leaning. Not anymore. A good place to look is the heart of hell itself, Alabama. Following even the most Alabamic of Alabaman white ultra-right hillbilly madness, the trend is to have "no problem with black people", but to be unable to "stand those damn faggots". This trend, I think, manifests popularly and widely throughout the deep parts of the deep South, and if they're willing to say things like "those damn faggots"... a lot... I don't think their acceptance of blacks, however awkward, is just some kind of politically correct show. I think logic and civility have finally broken through and embarrassed them into improving on at least one point.

[Wheeljak]

Good point, but I really think they would have voted for him up until he did that. Before then, they were begging him to run and he wouldn't do it. (As to his choice of Obama, people maybe should steer clear of the race angle, but backing Obama is a strange choice for someone who broke political silence to come out as a Republican and even served under the Bush administration. For someone upset at Powell for this, "race" is not that hard a conclusion to jump to. A better explanation is to examine the circumstances surrounding Powell's exodus from the Bush administration, and consider Powell's support of Obama to be a legitimate expression of outright contempt for the Republican's betrayal of the American people and the world.)
I was hoping that you'd mention that. Kudos.


I still have to challenge the notion that hardcore white conservatives have a racist leaning. Not anymore.A lot of hardcore white conservatives have a racist leaning, and so do a lot of hardcore white liberals. In fact, I consider the racism of the white liberal to be even more insidious, because it's shrouded in a thick layer of denial.


A good place to look is the heart of hell itself, Alabama. Following even the most Alabamic of Alabaman white ultra-right hillbilly madness, the trend is to have "no problem with black people", but to be unable to "stand those damn faggots".Y'know, for a long time it's been out of vogue for white racists to publicly admit their hatred and contempt toward blacks. Most of the hatemongers have evolved into "racialists" who claim that their opinions and actions are not inspired by a hatred for blacks, but by a love of "the white race".

Hatred of homosexuals is pretty much taken for granted in many Evangelical circles, and Evangelical Christianity is, of course, most popular in the Bible Belt. I remember way back when I was 13 years old (a long-ass time ago), and our youth group leader went right out and called some gay guy at Burger King a "little faggot". Even though I was not comfortable with homosexuality (I'm still not), I knew even then that there was something very wrong with the youth group leader's behavior and attitude.


This trend, I think, manifests popularly and widely throughout the deep parts of the deep South, and if they're willing to say things like "those damn faggots"... a lot... I don't think their acceptance of blacks, however awkward, is just some kind of politically correct show. I think logic and civility have finally broken through and embarrassed them into improving on at least one point.I think it's more a function of black empowerment, and you're simply noticing people watching their own tongues to lessen the risk of any loose words reaching the wrong ears, rather than a newfound civility. There are a lot of white people who don't say racist things in public, not because they don't want to, but because they don't want to get punched.

Now, don't get me wrong-- I'm not one of those people who scapegoats Southern whites for America's racism. On the contrary; I think that's where the greatest strides toward a new America have happened. I'm just not one to believe that the South has gone farther than it actually has.

[ElizabethX]

I used to not consider Florida the deep south, but it'll be downright shocking to me to hear things come out of white mouths, like "good" when they hear of a fatal accident involving a black person (whom they don't know), or just simply "I hate n------". Or, like racial bias in terms previous described-- not *HATING* blacks (right....), just having a sense of "white pride"... Or saying they don't believe in interracial marriage-- not because they hate black people, but because they think it's "unfair to the babies (what will they be? where will they belong?)". I even know of churches that shun interracial couples.

It's weird that in my area I actually witness less "faggot" talk and more anti-black/pro-white opinion... you'll see trendy bisexual/gay whites who admit to racial prejudice. It's okay to be a "fag"... at least I'm not a "n-----". Not to say that it's hard to find anti-gay opinion though... 'cause it's not. Anyway, I'm tired of white/straight people seeing me and thinking they can talk that way around me just because I'm not dark skinned/gay. As if I won't be disgusted and totally call them on it! Boy, that gets ugly quick.

But I guess like Coz says, the area in Florida I'm in is perhaps just as bad as the rest of the "deep south".

In conclusion, many people are highly disturbing.

[Louis85]

Hatred toward interracial couples, and the children they produce, just cracks me up how ridiculous that is. I've grown up around interracial couples and their children my entire life. I hate to break it to these haters, but I have seen no freakin' diiference at all. Working at a summer camp counselor (in a camp primarily of white kids), and dealing with my interracial cousins, 4 of them, and my other interracial friends have given me insight to tell everyone there is no difference. I can't believe anyone makes such a big F***ing deal about who your parents are. In as much as I REALLY don't care who you sleep with, man or woman, I care even less who your daddy was or what color he was. I will ultimately judge you for you.

[ElizabethX]

Yeah... and they put it all under the veil of sympathy for the children. What about the children? The poor children! Where will they belong? Who will they be? WHAT will they be? Oh, the poor kids will be so confused!!!

If we get so caught up in defining and separating one another based on racial identity, I could see how that would seem like a problem. For those of us with beliefs founded in equality and harmony... it is apparently a non-issue! Kids will know who and "what" they are without having to belong solely to the "black" or the "white" world... ugh. It just takes some love and some parenting and some non-prejudice, for god's sake.

[wendyful04]

Yeah... and they put it all under the veil of sympathy for the children. What about the children? The poor children! Where will they belong? Who will they be? WHAT will they be? Oh, the poor kids will be so confused!!!

If we get so caught up in defining and separating one another based on racial identity, I could see how that would seem like a problem. For those of us with beliefs founded in equality and harmony... it is apparently a non-issue! Kids will know who and "what" they are without having to belong solely to the "black" or the "white" world... ugh. It just takes some love and some parenting and some non-prejudice, for god's sake.

or Jungle Fever

[Wheeljak]

or Jungle Fever
<snx> <snx>

[STANLEY C. TAYLOR]

Guess what OBAMA Rhymes with OSAMA......................:) JK I actually voted for obama.

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